Animal Planet ran a marathon of the Werner Herzog documentary “Grizzly Man” today against the AFC and NFC championship games. I assume most of you watched football. So did I. But seeing the movie on the small screen once again was a sign that I should repost a little rant I did on the film that caused quite a stir on the IMDB message boards (a producer of the film even contacted me, mostly in agreement). The rant is a bit long, but rants are a quick read since you don’t have to think too hard and just go with the flow… kind of like Timothy Treadwell. Here’s a snippet from the first salvo where I ask the question, who was the worst actor in the documentary (there aren’t supposed to be actors in documentaries, by the way). There’s a bit near the end where I note the similarities between Treadwell and Steve Irwin. This was written before Irwin’s death, in a prophetic observation of impending doom caused by a lust for fame doing stupid antics with wild animals.
I wanted to be moved by the Grizzly Man film in that inner child, lover of bears, sort of way. Sadly, the only movement the film inspired was one in my lower bowels. I was pretty disgusted with the various people in the film elbowing each other to out-grieve or over-dramatize the deaths of Timothy Treadwell and Amie Huguenard.
Who do you think should win the award for worst overacting in a “documentary”? Nominees include:
The Coroner. I loved the touch of the “dead body” in the white plastic bag on the examining table, as if the film maker caught him right before he was to autopsy some Inuit who had been flash frozen and kayaked down to the examiner’s office… or was that supposed to be a reenactment of carcass Tim or disemboweled Amie? Surprisingly there was no blood or gore in the white plastic bag. My guess is that it was just some cardboard or towels made to look like a body. After his horribly overwrought lines–and they were lines, written by himself or by Herzog–were painfully acted, I was particularly impressed by the extremely awkward pauses and the scared glances into the camera as Herzog waited 4 or 5 seconds too long after the good Doctor had finished his lines to cut. During his staged lines, the Doc might have passed for one of those prime time coroners who solve crimes with their insightful analysis, except that this Doc was all conclusions and no analysis. It was amazing all of the things he commented on that had nothing to do with him examining human remains for insight.
In fact, I don’t recall a single “this is what I saw and this is what it meant” statement. But as a vehicle for Herzog to play up the grotesque (and interesting) elements of the story, the Doc and the Pilot were really the only dispassionate people that could be used. Those painfully awkward moments were really telling, they showed that the Doc was staged and that after he delivered his canned lines, he looked to Herzog like a puppy to ask, “Is that what you wanted?” I imagine that the Coroner will be first in line to audition for CSI:Anchorage.
The Grieving “Widow.” Like Treadwell, she’s a failed waitress and a failed actress. For that matter, she’s even a failed widow. Her best scene is when she joins up with the good Doctor and he bestows a rubber watch on her with as much pomp and circumstance as a medal of honor ceremony. She flaunts the watch to the camera like a bride would a diamond, and they both wonder in amazement that the watch still runs, as if this is some modern Hanukkah lamp or a paid plug for Energizer batteries. Her worst scene is when she sits with buggy eyes as Herzog tries to tell her what’s on the tape, as if she hasn’t listened to it herself, and then she accepts his advice as if he were a shrink and she was a mentally ill but receptive patient. I find it fitting that she was fired from her job as a wench because she overacted with a propane heater and lighter fluid, turning hokey dinner entertainment into a lethal situation. I wonder why Treadwell dumped her ass, they seem like soul mates to me!
The Platonic Lover. This woman has issues. Treadwell uses her basement for storage for 15 years, he tells her he loves her, she ghostwrites a book for him, she’s the last woman who sees him before he leaves and the first to greet him when he’s back, and even though Treadwell moans about being so lonely and finding women so hard to figure out sexually, they’ve never consummated their relationship? Oh yeah, and she’s got a reused can of chewing tobacco with some of his mementos in it, along with a morbid potpourri of his remains even Martha Stewart would gag at… bear hair, human bits, parsley sage rosemary and thyme? The only thing she didn’t cram into that little can was bear feces, which Treadwell was so enamored with, and was ultimately what he ended up as.
The Parents. Were these really his parents? They seemed like they didn’t know or care much about their son since he ran off to California.
Mom was a little enamored with the camera and Herzog did her a real disservice by making her seem stiff and awestruck instead of loving or grieving or even fondly reflective. I really enjoyed the part where the father recalled his final bit of parental authority over Timothy when he “put the kibosh” on Tim smoking pot in the house, even though he knew that Tim was just getting high elsewhere. You almost expected them both to shrug and say, “kids these days, what can you do?” and then go back to watching Wheel of Fortune.
Werner Herzog. The only reason this documentary is interesting is because it’s morbid. It’s not compelling as a nature documentary: after 15 years in the wilderness, the best bear footage Treadwell gets is two males wrestling for a screw. It’s not compelling as a tragedy: neither character fell from a high place, although Treadwell was fatally flawed, and although calamitous, there was decidedly no meaningful ending. It fails as a portrait of a character because Treadwell’s only depth seems to arise from his manic depression and his choice of drugs.
Unsatisfied with his inability to tell the story from behind the camera and crippled with plastic performances by his actors (and they were all acting), Herzog breaks the sacred barrier and enters his own documentary. Calro Cavagna of AboutFilm.com hit this dead on when he wrote, “Herzog comes across as the worst kind of cinematic jackass—the filmmaker who doesn’t trust his own work to speak for itself.”
What cowardice it is to sell a bill of goods on a sensationalized story based upon 6 minutes of audio, and then not play a single second of that audio. Even worse, stage a scene with the closest thing you can find to a grieving widow, listen to a bit of the tape yourself, narrate a word or two and then become overwhelmed with it all and tell the woman to shut it off, as if you’re being tortured and can’t remove the headphones yourself. Then, you advise her to not listen to it and destroy it… when IT is the only reason you are going to afford that time share in Maui this year.
This is tantamount to reading an article that someone has found the holy grail but have since gone missing, so you do a documentary on it to cash in on the hype, track down their footage, chop it together, and when you come across the grail in what remains of their gear you decide to destroy it, lest someone else come along and uncover that it was just a Nalgene bottle and two stupid hikers who died of dehydration and their own poor planning. Since you can’t show footage of the Nalgene bottle, you show a clip of yourself looking at the bottle, off camera, and after some oohing and awwing, you decide that even though your job as a documentor is to deliver the truth and let the audience decide, you shall spare them from their own inability to process the information, even though your sales pitch promised to expose the truth of the grail. All of the hype and interest in this film is in its similarities to a “Faces of Death” video, except unlike that franchise which offers 20 second clips of action and gore with no back story or fluff, this film is all fluff and no gore.
Timothy Treadwell himself. This man-child was a clown looking for an audience. After a failed attempt to play a bar tender in Cheers (and look how amazing Woody Harrelson has done since he beat out Treadwell for the part!) Treadwell decides to take his hideous acting as far away from mankind as possible–perhaps his only wise move. Just like the mildly successful idiot Aussie Steve Irwin, Treadwell’s show isn’t about the animals, it’s about how stupid the host can be and still survive for another episode. I really enjoyed the clip where Treadwell does a bazillion takes of himself sprinting through the bush in different outfits (read: he changes his head band) so he can splice it together later no matter what do-rag he’s wearing in the other footage. Funny that Treadwell affects a fake Aussie accent and even tells people that’s where he’s from, as if being stupid with animals and endangering yourself and those around you is somehow ok if you’re from down under. Perhaps Herzog could go back and get Treadwell’s mom to say “the dingo ate my baby! err. I mean the grizzly ate my baby!” to round out the farce that was this mockumentary.
Treadwell does the environmentalist movement a great disservice. He comes off as a psycho idiot whose environmental stance is “all for me, none for you.” Any environmentalist who needs to say “don’t try this at home kids, don’t do what I do, don’t treat wild animals like pets and don’t push your luck over and over again” is NOT an environmentalist. Treadwell worships the hot and fresh dung of a bear he was just watching, placing his hands in it and praising it for being “perfect” because it was “in her, a part of her.” It’s kind of ironic that he’d be so drawn to bear dung, considering that bear dung was his fate.
Treadwell is no Don Quixote, but the giants he chases are certainly all in his head. He claims again and again to be a defender of the wild life, but we never see one example of him saving anything at all. The closest he comes to saving the bears is hiding in the bushes as photographers throw rocks at a bear to get better pictures. Treadwell doesn’t even come out of the bush, he doesn’t scream to scare the bear off, he doesn’t yell at the photographers for throwing rocks. Rather, he waits until the photogs are gone and then decides that the smiley face and the “see you next year” message they left for him are DEATH THREATS, for HIM, not the bears! I’d hate to see how he’d respond to people who were shooting bullets instead of pictures. He’s not fighting for national park status, he’s not fighting against eco-tourism, and he’s not fighting against poaching…. but he’s a “warrior” ??? The last thing that I really don’t understand is the preoccupation of Treadwell and of Herzog over Treadwell’s sexuality. For some reason the middle of the documentary has a monologue with Treadwell bemoaning gay men and how easily they can get their rocks off by going to bathrooms and having commitment-less sex. With all the honesty of “I did not have sexual relations with that woman,” Treadwell squeaks out a “but oh gosh, I’m soooo not ghay! bummer man!” at the end of his rant, as if he needed to convince himself, because there’s certainly no one else around. Then there’s the multiple times during the film that the voice overs assure us that Treadwell did, in fact, have sex with women… lots of them… to the point where when a woman that Treadwell didn’t have sex with shows up, they have to differentiate her as a “platonic” friend. Funny how all these women that Treadwell brings along to warm his tent never show up in his years of footage… and the one who does is only there twice… and a third time off camera being killed, after she wanted to leave him and not come back. Wow, how romantic.
Others have commented on how it seems odd that Treadwell would be such a hypocrite to constantly want to defend the bears as a warrior and on way too many occasions speak of dying FOR them or even BY them… to change at the moment of death and ask Amie to bash the bear’s head in with a frying pan. I don’t see this as a change at all. It was ALWAYS about him. It was always about creating a mythical character who could commune with the animals to the exclusion of all others. To name the bears is to own them. Treadwell didn’t want to accept money in return for his talks because that would mean he’d have to in some small way give up ownership of his bears. For some people, what they do in the face of their own death is telling of their character. For others, the moment of death is meaningless or anticlimactic or unrevealing of anything other than a single emotion or instinctual response. Since we are truly denied knowing what Treadwell’s last moments were like we are left victims of Herzog’s creation of the event. I’m just surprised that Herzog didn’t add in some lines like “remember me, finish my quest, protect the bears” followed by Herzog interjecting “the reason I made this film is to sear this man’s courage into the public memory, to continue his quest, and to protect the bears, I can only hope, in the most humble of ways, that I have succeeded.” This documentary, like Treadwell’s death, was boldly meaningless. It was more fabrication than fact, and it didn’t give us the one bit of satisfaction we wanted… hearing Treadwell being eaten by a bear.
The responses and further discussion (totally a whopping 29 pages) can be read in PDF here.
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EVERYBODY in this film had “issues” – it was more a parade of neurosis than anything else. That said, it appeared Timothy had more of a relationship with the foxes than the bears.
Dorene
the film is neither a documentary, nor a drama.
It’s an artistic creation by Werner Herzog… all of whose films bear (ahem) a striking resemblance to this one.
None of the points you raise in outrage is contrary in the slightest to Herzog’s intentions..
He is interested in monsters.. human and non… and that includes himself.
It’s a great film, as l long as you understand it’s not really about grizzlies, or about Treadwell himself.
EmilyS
EmilyS –
You pretty much nailed it on the head, it’s not about Grizzlies at all and it’s not a documentary. Who new?
You’ll forgive all of us who were duped by the positioning of the work as a documentary about Grizzlies. I would guess that very few people came to this film already aware of Herzog’s work and style of art. It certainly broke into the mainstream, and although this is the fault of the studio and advertising agency, it was in no way marketed as anything other than an animal snuff film that documented a man in nature with grizzlies as fact.
It was playing on Animal Planet, not the Sundance Channel or IFC, and I don’t think that Animal Planet has gotten into the art house comedy of the absurd modern interpretative film business yet.
But you’ve pretty much cut to the conclusion of 30 pages of debate. When seen as unabashedly and honestly artifice, a construction of a modern Sisyphus, and vintage Herzog, then the creature is entirely different than the basis upon which I judge it, and upon which it was officially asked to be judged.
When you are informed that this is not “cinema verite,” then you have to ask why is it on Animal Planet, why is it categorized as a documentary, and why does the cover show a Grizzly and Treadwell, when it should show Herzog at a desk constructing another modern myth.
Here’s the whole thread:
http://www.landauer.us/borderwars/IMDbBoards_GrizzlyMan_(2005).pdf
–think i’m a little late for a post:
I absolutely hated the film. Timothy Treadwell, posed too much for shoots as if he was some model. When it showed him wondering if he’d look better standing certain ways. The commercial for it, lead me to believe we’d hear or see something. I got nothing but a group of complete nut jobs talking and crying. After about an hour I had to change it.
Watched this last night with some friends and we found ourselves continually asking each other if we thought it was “real” or some kind of spoof. I am almost ashamed to admit we spent most of the film laughing as the whole thing just seemed ridiculous from Timothy’s weird camp South Park esque voice, to the bizarre interviewees with their comedy names. It wasn’t until Herzog listened to the audio recording of the death that it was clear that this was actually real and not a spoof, and we felt a little bit guilty for finding the whole thing so funny.
I’ll say this, it was as much comedy as it was documentary. I wouldn’t feel so bad for laughing, I did.
If we aren’t supposed to look at it as comedy or a true documentary, then it must be ABSURD. And you can’t demand a normal, polite, or predictable reaction to the absurd.
I see that Animal Planet or Discovery has stitched together some of his other footage and is airing it. Again, I doubt we’ll be given a voice over at the beginning explaining the highbrow interpretive art Herzog thinks he’s making.
I’ll give the whole mess this…it’s too fascinating to forget or to ignore. And entirely unsatisfactory, unless you can conclude that death is a suitable punishment for naivete, eccentricity, and a dose of stupid.
My favorite moments in this comedy were;
“I think the only reason the bears didn’t kill him earlier were because they thought he was mentally disabled.”
“Sergeant Brown did a number two.”
“I love you, you poor dead bee….. Well, the bee moved. Is it sleeping?”
Treadwell could’ve play a dimwitted southern bartender way better than Woody Harrelson.
Steve Irwin was not an idiot. You sound like an old fart.
GET OFF MY LAWN, WHIPPERSNAPPER!
Steve Irwin and his wife were/are both complete idiots. There was nothing about the man to respect except perhaps for his pitbull like energy.
Again we are not surprised when he eventually gets taken out by the wildlife he is constantly assaulting. A nation cries and you wonder, you just wonder best to leave it at that.
I visited his zoo in Queensland before the clever sting ray impaled him through the chest (by the way who knew they could do this inject toxin into the heart while free swimming) the most interesting bit of information that ever unfolded with him in front of the camera. It must have been a revelation for him too Im sure or he would never have mounted it with such gay abandon.
The zoo was a complete mess and in not one way anything to do with conservation.
There was a man made pure white and very docile overweight python (exotic) for all to touch while the wife acted like a swaggering amazon lion tamer. She had apparently “tamed” the beast and if it were not for her we would all be instantly swallowed. A couple of camels (pest species) with a new born also for petting. An angry flushed and frustrated single casuarie (highly endangered) walking up and down its run looking for a fight and sex both at the same time, leaving you wondering why Mrs Irwin hadn’t bothered with this exhibit as it could in fact be a real danger to a curious visitor.
Then there were the salt water crocodiles. One an albino curiosity in a pond on its own, the water was very shallow and refreshed daily so you could see it. An equally large one in a central murky pond which was presented like a dolphin at “Sea world”. Made to jump for a piece of chicken on a stick. Except they don’t quite get the height that a dolphin can, maybe the pond is too shallow. There was one other pond but nothng happened here so I assumed the croc was in training or on vaction.
All a bit dull and you longed for Mr Irwin to jump in and wrestle with them, Mrs Irwin on the side cracking a whip and screaming helpful advise until you realise they weren’t his size he preferred ones very very much smaller than himself to leap onto. Dangeling his baby as bait for the leaping monsters instead must have seemed a far safer bet.
The reptile house had a few snakes in tiny aquariums which felt like you had stepped into a prepubescent boys room. It just missed the excited high squeeking and alternatively breaking voice giving you the guided tour.
If you happen to be in the area and the zoo is still there don’t bother stopping. Try the wildlife refuge centre a few miles up its very well worth it and they can do with your funding.
That actually doesn’t surprise me, although it’s sad for the quality of care, or lack thereof, of the animals. Sounds like the Irwins were all about shameless self promotion, animals being a mere veneer and curiosity.
I watched this docu-comedy, or another like, it on Timmy Treadwell. It was maybe 4 years ago. Couldn’t tell if it was dry British comedy or unintentional, humor either!
The part I remember most was how Timmy made long video selfies, where he claimed to be all alone, way out in the Alaskan wilderness, with wild bears. Then someone zooms in, like with telephoto lens, and films Timmy’s tent. Then they sloooooowly zoom OUT, and you see that his tent is beside a big wood lodge or a country store. Yep, looks like Timmy was camping in his Uncle’s backyard.
Oh yeah, sign up here to take a guided tour, don’t worry about all the grizzly bears, they won’t hurt you. They even have names!
The film says Timmy was killed by a new bear that wandered into the area. Now what difference would that make? Think about, why would a dozen wild grizzly bears, or more, be safe with people, but not a new bear? How do we know he didn’t raise a baby grizzle she-cub, and the bears we see him with are those that have known Timmy since they were cubs? How do we know he slept in the tent! Instead of the wood building?
I read up on Timmy, and it is said the government made him move his tent. But did he move it before or after the bears went into hibernation? One of his last videos he made says that all of HIS bears are tucked away for the winter.
Yet Timmy was a sort of hero of the regular, somewhat off-kilter, people. No downtrodden tramp, he was a king of the road, THE King of the Road. He might have been a dish washer, but he had flare! And he was special in some special way, that was touching.
Maybe it was that he didn’t so much want to deceive, but to please, to so very much be what others wanted him to be. Sadly, maybe others didn’t want him to be gay, they didn’t want him scared to go play in the grizzle bear pathways, maybe people close to him wanted him to not be frightened of camping in the dark, to not be shy of the cameras, and maybe Timmy tried to be all the things someone else wanted him to be.
Go outside and pet grizzly bears Timmy.
the link you posted to the 30 page thread or book is not working anymore. Could you give us a new working link?thank you in advance
Fixed.
http://www.border-wars.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/IMDbBoards_GrizzlyMan_2005.pdf
Ho ho ho, yes seen this one in fact I still own a copy [blush] having bought it thinking it might be interesting. Grizzlies fascinate me.
This did too in a different kind of way, one in which I couldn’t help grinning in genuine amusement.
Timothy is obviously a complete nutter, not for one moment could I take him seriously. He’s seems to have some serious mental health issues that leave you wondering if he hasn’t escaped from somewhere having first convinced himself that he is a conservationist with a mission? Get me to those bears.
Having watched it Im not sure that this isn’t exactly what it’s all about.
The fact that he gets eaten comes as no surprise, none at all, the fact that they both get eaten raises an eyebrow, both insane? Hmmm OK.
I found the area where they lived fascinatingly familiar it was criss crossed with well trodden paths in dense high vegetation. Much like a lot of gay cruising haunts [again blush] in Europe, Germany or UK might be. The kind where you suddenly find yourself confused to which way to turn. Usually without knowing on a long hikes through dense and lush with ferns, wild flowers and forests trails. Coming up to a highway or car park rest stop off a highway.
They always reminded me of gorilla paths in the Cameroon highlands, and I suppose they are much the same.
In this case though Instead of assorted stark naked hairy or otherwise gentleman popping up suddenly while waving their excited armoury “enticingly” I suppose one would get a large grizzly intent on ambushing and eating you.
Maybe this thrill was what kept them there to the what must have been even for this pair of completely out to lunch people quite terrifying end.
The rest of the mockumentary pales into insignificance compared.
I dont think even French and Saunders could’ve done a better job.
The final sentence is perfect. And hilarious.