It’s like a cute [&] ampersand that will make your insides leak out of your orifices.
For the first time in history a live human with infectious Ebola virus has set foot on American soil, and another one is on her way here. While there is some alarmist thinking surrounding the event, I fall firmly on the side of OH HELZ NO when it comes to importing the virus for the sake of treating the two infected charity workers who were somehow exposed at about the same time while treating Ebola victims in Africa.
Why?
Because despite the minute chance of an accident or release of the virus into the wild, the gravity of those events and the sheer number of people who could be harmed simply outweigh the slight improvement in chances for treatment of the two victims. We should send resources to treat them on-site IN AFRICA, not put them on a plane to the busiest airport in the United States, which is also the busiest airport in the entire world. If you were a virus that wanted to hit the big leagues, Atlanta is where it’s at. And we’re not safe just because the plane didn’t crash or the ambulence get smashed on the way to the hospital. Every single person who comes in contact with those patients is just a plane ride away from the entire world.
And if you think that highly trained specialist doctors don’t get infected, why are these two people infected? At least one is a doctor who has specialized in Ebola for years and the other is also quite experienced. And just last week the top Ebola Virologist in Sierra Leone died of Ebola after being infected earlier in the month.
See, both the USA and Russia have been implicated in improperly storing and securing the last remaining samples of Small Pox — which killed 300 million people during the 20th century alone — I have no faith in the decision to put two people with incurable and violently painful and super deadly EBOLA virus on to an airplane to the USA.
Just last month, the FDA in America suddenly discovered hundreds of vials of noxious, lethal, and otherwise entirely unpleasant infectious agents in a forgotten corner of some refrigerator and guess what, the Small Pox vials they found therein still contained LIVE VIRUS that was able to grow more virus when tested at the CDC.
Federal officials found more than just long-forgotten smallpox samples recently in a storage room on the National Institutes for Health campus in Bethesda, Md. The discovery included 12 boxes and 327 vials holding an array of pathogens, including the virus behind the tropical disease dengue and the bacteria that can cause spotted fever, according to the Food and Drug Administration, which oversees the lab in question.
“The fact that these materials were not discovered until now is unacceptable,” Karen Midthun, director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER), told reporters Wednesday. “We take this matter very seriously, and we’re working to ensure that this doesn’t happen again.”
… and …
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration revealed that more than 300 other sealed vials containing biological materials such as dengue, influzena, Q fever, ricksettsia and other possible unknown viruses were found alongside the six forgotten smallpox vials in the storage room on the National Institutes of Health campus.
Every single other plague that has EVER killed massive numbers of humans has traveled great distances via then-modern navigation tools to infect non-resistant populations by the tens and hundreds of millions.
This is how the Native Americans, Incans, Aztecs, etc. were destroyed (Measles and Smallpox) and how they returned the favor to Europe by sending back Syphilis.
The Bubonic Plague was likely brought into Europe over the silk road from Asia or southern Russia and decimated generation after generation for hundreds of years. The most recent version, the “Third Pandemic” radiated out of Asia between 1850 and 1950. Various incarnations are global and stretch back to ancient times with almost all flare ups due to the dislocation of people due to conflicts.
Did no one read The Plague, or The Hot Zone? Why can’t advanced medical care be brought TO THEM instead of two infected people who are harboring billions of copies of the virus be put in the AIR (where everyone gets sick by traveling on planes with infected people!) where anything could go wrong and unleash the virus to the world? Of course a specialized jet that’s basically a flying condom is different than you sitting next to a toddler with head-plague in coach for a 4 hour flight. But only in so much as the cold and flu virus are endemic and rampant all over the world and infect hundreds of millions of people every year. Fine, you get a cold or the runny shits for a day or two. And these are already Djinn which are out of the bottle. Ebola is still mostly contained to a few small pockets in pretty remote third world countries. And it should stay that way until we find a treatment and can eradicate it.
The alarming thing is that before these two Americans were infected and before Sierra Leone’s top virologist died, there were already reports that Ebola is getting out of hand even in the areas where it has been endemic. A new strain, perhaps? New conditions that have made it more lethal? Or perhaps it’s always had an explosive growth model and we’ve just lived through the early stages where it seems slow but then really lets you know it’s exploding.
27 June 2014 – The United Nations health agency and partners are working with the Governments of Guinea, Liberia and Sierra Leone to control an outbreak of Ebola in West Africa, an official today said, announcing an international meeting next week to agree on a coordinated regional response.
“The situation is not out of hand,” Pierre Formenty told journalists in Geneva on behalf of the UN World Health Organization (WHO). “WHO has been supporting the three affected countries and their Ministries of Health staff, and are working with them on a daily basis to try to contain the outbreak.”
The two infected people had the BEST protection and training money could buy, and they still got infected. There is little to nothing we can do for them and the virus is so nasty it liquefies your innards which bleed out of every orifice in your body. Why do we think this is a good idea?
I don’t for a second think that anyone is going to catch Ebola on American soil from this. I don’t think that it’s a high probability of escaping into the wild. Maybe a fraction of a percent. But that’s a chance that gets run through the Russian Roulette gun every single time someone comes near that live virus. And how long might it live in those vials they are putting it in… inside the needles that they are using to introduce fluids into those patients… in the blood from their stool in the sputum they expectorate?
And if that very minute chance ever does come up, the consequences could be global. AND FOR WHAT? What’s the balance here? The only balance I can see is that there is a positive delta in the quality of treatment that we can give these two Americans. Well, why does that weigh more than the risks? Why do they deserve to put the rest of us here at risk when the care they were giving in Africa should be sufficient for them. That’s the Christian thing to do, nay? Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. Why is the clinic where they became infected able to treat Africans but unable to effectively treat Americans?
See all the ugly questions crap like this brings up? I’m sorry these two people have Ebola but I don’t want it in my backyard. And if you think that this is somehow different than two Africans getting Ebola, why? And at what cost? And are you going to pay that cost?
One day, old Christopher Columbus made the choice to bring along a crew member who was “just a little tired” or “under the weather, but feeling fit for service, Captain” but was actually carrying a lethal virus that would in only a few months time begin to kill upwards of 95 of every 100 people living in the Americas. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Was it?
Update: Not 10 minutes after I published this, it looks like the Phillippines just might have their first cases of Ebola from people who, guess what, flew from Sierra Leone to the Phillippines!
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Is this how the Zombie Apocalypse will begin?
Yes Lyn, nations often fail not with a bang but a whimper. I think the reason that zombi apocalypse stories are so popular now is because this is a worry people have, like the original Godzilla movies were set in Tokyo, and popular world wide because they aroused the same fears which people had over “the bomb” – the threat of nuclear war.
When populations of any one species are dense and wide spread, a disease which affects a few can soon infect all. We worry because we don’t trust our governments immigration policy.
Will the chimps have their revenge? Eating monkey meat is what is said to have transferred this disease to people.
Chris, don’t be such an alarmist, it only kills 90% of those infected. Think positive! You might be one of the 10% who live!
There have been plagues before. One measles outbreak in Hawaii was said to have killed 25% of Hawaiian adults and 10% of their children. The bubonic plague wiped out much of Europe.
And diseases spread through much of the Americas because when one person in a village got sick and died then a few more got sick, the remaining villagers would flee the village to go stay with friends and family in other villages. Of course some of them were infected but not showing symptoms, so the disease wiped out much of the original population. If we don’t close our borders to people unless they come from non-infected countries, we might, someday, have a plague here. But will our government protect us?
That said, most plagues don’t spread here. Just been lucky, i guess. Many things which could happen, never do happen. But there is always that chance.
Chris, lets weigh the pros and cons of these two people’s survival. If either of them survive, it will be attributed to American medicine, and the infected will flee to America. If both of them survive, for the next 80 years (the memory of people who are adults now) every infected person, with any and every disease, will desperately remember how our hospital saved the seemingly doomed. The infected will come here reaching out in desperate hope.
You wouldn’t deny the dying that glimmer of hope, would you?
Of course, if both of these people die, despite the efforts of our best medical team, then America will be seen as just like the rest of the world, no need to flee here.
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Last glimpse of hope are you serious? The cultural changes come hard in Africa and as this link reveals again we involve ourselves in political and cultural …and menu choices. Fair warnings to the Bushmen or Bushmeat…This is Africa’s problem of changes needed in their social mores and customs….. Read…. Monkey Brains off the menu: http://www.timeenoughforlove.org/saved/MonkeyBrainsOffMenuCentralAfrica.htm
I basically agree with the blog post but in the interest of perspective, a few points could be added.
Paddyannie comments that mortality is 90%. All the sources I’ve seen say it’s more like 60% (see http://www.afro.who.int/en/clusters-a-programmes/dpc/epidemic-a-pandemic-alert-and-response/outbreak-news/4233-ebola-virus-disease-west-africa-25-july-2014.html )
, and those who get supportive therapy early are much more likely to survive than those who don’t (sounds a bit like parvo virus). So I don’t think the scenario of people flocking to the US for miracle cure is likely. Far more likely that the wealthy and well informed will seek out better-resourced local hospitals. It’s in our interest to make sure that health facilities in affected areas are providing adequate supportive care.
Chris states: “The two infected people had the BEST protection and training money could buy, and they still got infected”
I heard an interview with an experienced African virologist on NPR. He was asked how experts were coming down with the disease despite having the best protection available. He said that he sequence for getting in and out of protective suits is exacting and if you touch one thing out of sequence, you are exposed. When working long hours for many weeks, even the best trained and best equipped is likely to slip up once … and once too often. Plus, in some instances, those in the field have not been all that well equipped. Where materials are short, ‘disposable’ protective gear gets sterilized and re-used, greatly increasing risk.
In a relatively calm laboratory environment where health workers haven’t been worked to exhaustion, I’d guess the chances of contamination are much lower.
A pretty good argument can be made that Ebola wouldn’t spread far if it did show up in the US. See:
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/31/5952515/facts-you-should-know-about-the-ebola-outbreak
I’m far more worried about accidental introduction by someone in the travelling public than the two much-watched health workers.
There are no doubt differences between death rates as seen from the survivor of a remote village with no medical treatment vs the survival rate seen by a doctor of the well fed, wealthier people in a hospital.
In Africa, children in remote areas often die of hookworms that could be cured with one pill that cost less than one dollar – but they don’t have a doctor in the village to tell them what is killing them and which pill to take, and that would only be useful if they had money for the doctor and money for the pill.
Adults in poor, remote villages are more likely to suffer from several serious diseases at the same time even before catching ebola, like malaria, aids, and heavy parasite infection.
Researchers have not yet agreed on the death rate for the bubonic plague which swept Europe. Travelers after the plague, wrote accounts of many totally empty towns, where no person had survived, yet other towns where most of the people lived. Given that if several sick people in one house died, but not the others, it might be that various genes in the immune system saved some people, since they were exposed, got sick, but lived.
The conquistadors were said to have, after many fierce battles, to suddenly find themselves traveling a nearly empty nation because so many people had died of disease.
Our soldiers in WW1 more often died from disease than from the enemy.
While not an authoritative source, wikipedia states that ebola virus is named after the ebola river in Africa, where in 1974 an outbreak killed “roughly 90%”.
It also states that the name ebola is now used for any of 4 related viruses. And their death rate is 50-90%.
Interesting, it also said that primates and pigs get the disease, and that bats and DOGS get the virus.
Men who recover from the disease have been known to still have infected semen 7 weeks afterward.
Estrogen receptor drugs have been used to treat infected mice in the lab.
Which sounds, to me, like mice get ebola too.
While all of that is true, we have had many other scares that never came about – asteroids that almost hit Earth, but didn’t, solar flares that could have destroyed our electronics if they had blasted a few days later, but they didn’t, flu that could have been pandemic but wasn’t.
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Well, let us consider Ebola virus disease (EVD) or Ebola hemorrhagic fever (EHF) which is considered a human disease caused by ebola viruses.
It seems the symptoms start two days to three weeks after contracting the virus with a fever, throat and muscle pains, and headaches.
There is then nausea, vomiting and diarrhea along with decreased functioning of the liver and kidneys. At this point some people begin to have problems with bleeding.
This disease first acquired by a population when a person comes into contact with the blood or bodily fluids of an “infected animal ” such as a monkey or fruit bat. Fruit bats are believed to carry and spread the disease without being affected by it.
Once infected the disease may be spread from one person to another. Men who survive may be able to transmit the disease sexually for nearly two months. To make the diagnosis, typically other diseases with similar symptoms such as malaria, cholera and other viral hemorrhagic fever are as well excluded. The blood may then be tested for either antibodies to the virus, the viral DNA, or the virus itself to confirm the a diagnosis. So sounds like to me it can be also spread by animals. I do not wish to find out or do you how to arrest the spread of the virus might claim the lives of our domestic canines and pets by even an extermination process. The eating of monkey brains have read is one of the cultural differences that was suspected of earlier outbreak of this virus in Africa. .
Nigeria, now: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2014/08/nigeria-ebola-doctor-contracts-virus-20148413329144139.html
According to CNN, a new drug called ZMapp has/is saving the 2 infected Americans. It is made from mouse blood.
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Awesome. They should have flown that drug to Africa and treated them with it there.
I agree send the drugs there Chris. Americans are by far the most generous people the world has ever seen. It is time to realize that the money trees have died and take care of our own.
According to CNN, the drug was shipped frozen and used to treat the 2 Americans while they were still in Africa, one got better right away, the other needed 2 doses.
I suppose the hope is that now antibioties can be filtered from the blood of these 2 recovered Americans. They, no doubt, will produce more than a mouse would. But not enough to save everybody, if ebola really spreads. Still, don’t you feel better knowing that if ebola does hit DC after the conference, the Prez and Congress can be saved?
Ebola doesn’t seem to spread as easily as the flu. And i concede to Jen Robinson that this outbreak is said to have a better survivor rate than the first one, and that the current death rate is given at 50-90% – which is a rather broad estimate, isn’t it?
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Paddyannie:
Seems hind sight is better than foresight. This is not an experiment.
Ebola seems is spreading pretty rapidly without world-wide response to the crisis being transported to countries like Germany as well? One of three flown into Germany, a man 56, UN medical worker has died.
A 40 year old Kansas man who was working aboard a ship on the West Coast of Africa bringing aboard Ebola victims from Africa is now be hospitalized in Kansas with high fever and diarrhea.
These medical workers 70 in Texas drew blood, put tubes down Duncan’s throat, wiped up watery diarrhea and wiped his mouth and mopped the floors with bleach. The size of the medical team reveals the efforts to save his life.
Unfortunately, Kent Bradley’s blood type did not match Duncan’s, but along with Nina Pham he has donated his plasma to three other victims. The concern now is especially for those nine other caregivers who entered and existed his room after Duncan’s death. This is of specific concern because when two Tribal Chiefs died of Ebola all those who attended the funeral came down with Ebola. So does Ebola go airborne even after death? Can you safety sit on a bus with someone sneezing who has Ebola? Common sense tells me NO?
Well, if it not this deadly virus one should consider how the Southern Border of the United States by not so poor Mexico is overrun at this time with deadly diseases It is said, that other countries are represented by these illegals entering our South Borders everyday.
“Dr. Richard Besser, a former acting director of CDC during the swine flu outbreak, and now ABC News chief health and medical editor, said, “There is nothing to prevent someone traveling here asymptomatically during the incubation period.” Then once ill, the person can easily infect many others, who in turn spread the virus further.
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/illegals-bring-risk-of-ebola/#DQZHX14I6Qw1ROx9.99'http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/illegals-bring-risk-of-ebola/
http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/illegals-bring-risk-of-ebola/
It is sheer incompetence in my opinion or deliberate attempts to wipe out the American population. The illegals for example are carrying TB and strands resistant to current treatment for example. They are bringing in diseases such as Polio, chicken pox measles, mumps, STD’s.
http://www.abc15.com/news/national/immigrants-bringing-diseases-across-border
I agree Chris, No thanks. Our American school children who are required by law to be vaccinated will likely die off like flies. Why are not the parents of America with young school children not up in arms? Since when is a 20 year old considered a child? Since when do children wear XL underwear? Please charity begins at home. What about our disabled Veterans who are not receiving medical care? What is wrong with this picture?
Hi Kathy, no I am not being serious. I was going with the zombi theme not the ebola theme.
Hey, did you know that the CDC (Center for Disease Control) put out info online about what to do in case of a real zombi plague? Seriously, it did! It was a few years ago. Really. Truly. For real. Google it.
On another note of she said that they said that he said that…. Sciecenews.org (nov 15′ 2012) says that the online Scientific Reports (nov 15) quotes Glenn Marsh stating that sick piglets infected primates in the same room without there being any contact between them. Hmmm maybe i should read the CDC’s Zombi Preparedness post again. Their zombi posters are really, well, ucky but cool, and it says you can download them for free.
Who would pass up free zombi posters when Halloween is so near?
Seriously, MOST plagues never go global. Aids being one of the exceptions.
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Hi Paddyannie:
Indeed did look up the Zombie Attacks in Texas believed to be caused by synthetic pot some are smoking. http://www.secretsofthefed.com/two-zombie-attacks-in-texas-in-two-days-zombie-plague-spreads/
The game and posters could be great with Halloween so close, but actually the man eating the dog? Menu choice off my menu.
Yes, I agree but where did AIDs country of orgin? The zombie theme and preparedness seems an actual need in today’s American Society. How else do you explain the glazed over expressions and not realizing how serious Health Issues are in America today from Illegal entry into this country through Southern Border? Our Leaders have to be Zombies. Not to gross everyone out, but Americans need to stop the pills and get fully awake to the health issues being brought in my illegals. Those who do not believe look at photos of the menu.
http://search.aol.com/aol/image?q=Monkey+brains&v_t=comsearch
http://www.squidoo.com/MONKEY-BRAIN
Hi Pattyannie: ” Seriously, MOST plagues never go global. Aids being one of the exceptions.” I stated did you know the country of origin? :
‘HIV (the virus that causes AIDS) probably transfers to humans in Africa between 1884 and 1924.HIV probably enters Haiti around 1966.”
” Seriously…
Will Ebola virus be another Global Health curse from Africa? The following link has approximate time line of the spread of HIV and Aids worldwide.
http://www.avert.org/aids-timeline.htm…lIKE THE ZOMBIE LIGHT SIDE OF THESE SERIOUS LIFE THREATING ISSUES.
Hi Kathy, Yes, AIDS came from Africa.
Did you read about Patrick Sawyer? He died. Of ebola. He was very sick but took a flight anyway, collapsed in an airport, was taken to a hospital, died there. He was planning on going to Minnesota to stay with his wife and kids. The doctor who treated him contracted ebola from him and died of it too. This happened in one of the busiest cities in Africa.
People in Africa are probably scared of catching ebola. People in America are scared too. Nobody loves disease.
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Paddyannie: This is real read the links.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/08/03/Leaked-CBP-Report-Shows-Entire-World-Exploiting-Open-US-Border
http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/08/03/west-africans-are-streaming-across-the-u-s-southern-border-carrying-the-ebola-virus/
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/08/04/media_mocks_concerns_over_ebola_as_evil_americans_keep_miracle_cure_to_themselves
When people go to countries such as these parts of Africa or other underdeveloped countries they make the choice. They take the risks the citizens of our country on the Southern Borders of the United States do not expect these risks and do not make these choices to contracting a disease from a foreign country that spells DEATH. Are you aware the concerns are real that the Ebola virus could be walking right over our Southern Borders? Christopher likely is a lot closer geographically than you? When will the humanitarian BS stop when it hits your community and you watch your friends, and family members die?
Are you aware these illegals are breaking the back of our Social Welfare and bankrupting our Law Enforcement, and Health Care programs? Are you aware the Police Departments even in Ohio are lacking funds to deal with the criminals of these illegals. Are you aware that many die just after they cross into the United States? We then have to do autopsy to find cause of death and bury them?
I would like to add illegal immigrants. Now why because these illegal entries into our country are not all children and not from even the same part of the world as too many assume.
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/08/03/Leaked-CBP-Report-Shows-Entire-World-Exploiting-Open-US-Border
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/14/1313975/-Rep-Phil-Gingrey-warns-you-might-get-Ebola-from-immigrants
Note on same topic of dealing with people who have no regard for women and how many people they can kill. No shame with their religious belief in death of Ebola as long as they take enough of us with them.
Another example of the chances even a woman could take in these parts of undeveloped Africa. FGM.
http://www.forwarduk.org.uk/key-issues/fgm
other countries without concern to human suffering
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/06/what-is-female-genital-mutilation-where-happen
Did you actually read the sources you quote? I would recommend reading this one
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/14/1313975/-Rep-Phil-Gingrey-warns-you-might-get-Ebola-from-immigrants
It is tells associates Gingrey with sleazy racist conservatives and tells us “Now we get to the part where Phil Gingrey tuns out to have a rather curious stake in all this. You see, he’s one of the people demanding Americans not vaccinate their kids.” The article goes on to point out that many Latin American countries have better vaccination programs than Texas . . .due to the success of Gingrey and friends in their efforts to make vaccination optional.
Hi Jen: Being what the media is today it is wise to view all the players since to most game players today be it Zombie Plague or some radical like Phil Gingrey, who seemingly is a racist…they do come in all colors, nationalities, shapes and sizes. Now what is your consideration of this issue of what you seem to feel is a “knee jerk attitude”?
http://www.businessinsider.com/global-pandemic-map-2014-8
In Pandemic, several virulent diseases have broken out simultaneously all over the world! The players are disease-fighting specialists whose mission is to treat disease hotspots while researching cures for each of four plagues before they get out of hand.
The game board depicts several major population centers on Earth. On each turn, a player can use up to four actions to travel between cities, treat infected populaces, discover a cure, or build a research station. A deck of cards provides the players with these abilities, but sprinkled throughout this deck are Epidemic! cards that accelerate and intensify the diseases’ activity. A second, separate deck of cards controls the “normal” spread of the infections.
Taking a unique role within the team, players must plan their strategy to mesh with their specialists’ strengths in order to conquer the diseases. For example, the Operations Expert can build research stations which are needed to find cures for the diseases and which allow for greater mobility between cities; the Scientist needs only four cards of a particular disease to cure it instead of the normal five—but the diseases are spreading quickly and time is running out. If one or more diseases spreads beyond recovery or if too much time elapses, the players all lose. If they cure the four diseases, they all win!
The 2013 edition of Pandemic includes two new characters—the Contingency Planner and the Quarantine Specialist—not available in earlier editions of the game. Now what is your take on a current worldwide issue of the development of this game? The description of this game is “In Pandemic, several virulent diseases have broken out simultaneously all over the world! The players are disease-fighting specialists whose mission is to treat disease hotspots while researching cures for each of four plagues before they get out of hand.
The game board depicts several major population centers on Earth. On each turn, a player can use up to four actions to travel between cities, treat infected populaces, discover a cure, or build a research station. A deck of cards provides the players with these abilities, but sprinkled throughout this deck are Epidemic! cards that accelerate and intensify the diseases’ activity. A second, separate deck of cards controls the “normal” spread of the infections.
Taking a unique role within the team, players must plan their strategy to mesh with their specialists’ strengths in order to conquer the diseases. For example, the Operations Expert can build research stations which are needed to find cures for the diseases and which allow for greater mobility between cities; the Scientist needs only four cards of a particular disease to cure it instead of the normal five—but the diseases are spreading quickly and time is running out. If one or more diseases spreads beyond recovery or if too much time elapses, the players all lose. If they cure the four diseases, they all win!
The 2013 edition of Pandemic includes two new characters—the Contingency Planner and the Quarantine Specialist—not available in earlier editions of the game.
In Pandemic, several virulent diseases have broken out simultaneously all over the world! Read if you are interested in a deeper discussion of informing readers. http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/30549/pandemic
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Thanks thats a good time
I asked you a question . . . which you seem to have ignored. Repeat:
Did you actually read the sources you quote? I would recommend reading this one
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/14/1313975/-Rep-Phil-Gingrey-warns-you-might-get-Ebola-from-immigrant
I don’t see what this board game has to do with anything. I’m not going to get “truth” from Pandemic any more than I’d get it from Grand Auto Theft.
I never used the words “knee jerk reaction”, nor would I use those words. The immigrants-bring-disease theory you are putting forward is deeply moored in right-wing thinking a la Rush Limbaugh. It is not a spontaneous involuntary reaction to an external stimulus.
Hi Again Jen:
Since you have not responded assume your labeling of a Right Winger politically take exception just as being called a Racists. Could we finally raise the bar in educated discussion? I regret you see no parallels to social thinking and society today by games such as Grand Auto Theft or games such as Pandemic in the society which we live.
I can possibly understand if you are isolated from interaction of today’s social society. You seem to get rude when a term you do not use but can assume it is alright if you do it to me.
Two days my son in Florida went to the Doctors with a bad cough and cold.
Our Doctor gave him the normal pills, but tested him for Swine Flu. Told him office would call in three days on results. Friends in California likewise mentioned the knowledge of these illegal immigrant children health issues at the Naval Base prior. Then I find this: http://freebeacon.com/national-security/outbreak-on-the-border/
Likely, my pendulum in politics swings neither left or right. Truth is your truth, my truth and then there is the real truth. Hope we can keep the bar higher in the future in discussions regarding the topics Christopher choses.
Now forgot this one.
http://reclaimourrepublic.wordpress.com/2014/08/04/video-mb-obama-hosting-us-africa-summit-in-d-c-during-ebola-outbreak-illegals-bring-risk-of-ebola/
Not quite enough to hang yourself but enough for me to react at least.
Kathy Americans infected themselves with HIV, your soldiers couldn’t keep their pants on when stationed in Africa. They brought it over to your hallowed soil, that stuff your ancestors stole by slaughtering Indians.
You sound like raving racist right wing looney. And fully in your rights to be one of course.
Im missing something here though aren’t I?
What has the size of kiddies underpants got to do with the price of eggs anyway LOL? XL sounds about right in a country where the obesity rate is 70% the biggest killer of all. Yes maybe its time you stopped pigging out as nation and ate unprocessed foods. You are more likely to get ill and die from E coli bacteria from processed spam in America than to ever see a case of Ebola.
I would rather eat bush-meat than processed American ham. Preferably not primate because I’m informed which is more than I can say for you.
I just wonder what you think would happen to your economy if all that underpaid cheap labour from Mexico wasn’t in your country processing your nasty food for you?
I have a suggestion why not open the borders completely. Its a complete sham, quite happy for ‘them” to be your workers but not quite good enough to be one of you?
And give Texas back to Mexico while you’re at it.
Anton terribly sorry but not right wing or left wing and your comments regarding American “history take the rag off the bush”. You have revealed your true feelings of the American culture without recognizing as many can see as I do your prejudice and bias of all American people.
Indeed as the United States became the World Melting Pot of culture, races and religious beliefs is stained with prejudice and struggles. However, unlike what we see in the Wars there has never been any resolve of centuries of conflict of cultures and people elsewhere. Prejudice and bias is won one person at a time. It is a regretfully a slow cultural melting process. Just like the FGM that millions of WOMEN and Girls are subjected in other parts of the World. Could this be the real reason men looking for more excitement in the bedroom …unfortunately experiment with other sexual satisfaction causing these problems?
The blood shed of those immigrants and native Americans reflects the same Greed and Superior Race ideals spanning the decades. I am well aware that by individual CHOICE Americans brought HIV and AIDS to America. So are most Americans, Anton.
What I think would happen to our economy? I think Americans would get back to work which made this country Great. Most Americans, Anton have no problem welcoming LEGAL immigrants into our Country. Most of us with exception of American Indians came from the weary immigrants of the world for the OPPORTUNITY of life, liberty and pursuit of Happiness. Well, much of our processed ham such as Smithfield now belongs to the Chinese.
Facts are Facts what man wants to end up with the aftermath of problems of contracting the disease.
Hi Anton: ” I just wonder what you think would happen to your economy if all that underpaid cheap labour from Mexico wasn’t in your country processing your nasty food for you?”
“And give Texas back to Mexico while you’re at it.”
“What has the size of kiddies underpants got to do with the price of eggs anyway LOL? XL sounds about right in a country where the obesity rate is 70% the biggest killer of all. Yes maybe its time you stopped pigging out as nation and ate unprocessed foods. You are more likely to get ill and die from E coli bacteria from processed spam in America than to ever see a case of Ebola.”
Read more: http://www.border-wars.com/2014/08/ebola-coming-to-america-no-thanks.html#ixzz3A2UBk11O
Now let us consider these illegal immigrants coming into America with other contagious diseases with a language, educational, customs and heritage cultural differences without any regard for American Culture, heritage and way of life with current crisis of Ebola virus. How many of these people would die if Ebola virus reaches a point of containment in the United States by spreading this deadly killer of humanity?
I would assume much like the two year old who died months ago suspected of spreading this current Crisis of Ebola break out—- totally unaware of its source.
Let me explain the innocent child like comprehension from a personal account. There is this Mexican family, some of which came legally and others suspected came later illegally. Large group of twenty, men, woman and children. They worked hard and purchased several pieces of property. However, without a command of English and understanding of American culture did not recognize those tax bills as necessary to hold on to one’s property.
Somehow to them having liberty of private property ownership in American was and entitlement- free. So tax bills were ignored because Obama was going to pay not only their taxes but pay their mortgage payments. Sadly, this family lost three different pieces of property due to unpaid property taxes. Now fourteen members of this family live in a two bedroom house which they nearly lost last month. They finally realize through much efforts of Americans attempting to break the cultural walls- 1. Foreign Bankers, Real Estate Brokers are buying up tax certificates and claiming American lands. 2. Taxes pay for roads, police, fire departments etc.
Now where does this place these same individuals who are illegals are going to be explained the dangers to themselves if an outbreak should occur in the United States. Will they have access to the special television stations in their language? Will they even understand what they are hearing?
Ebola has been on American soil and for many years in research labs. What the true nature of the research exactly is any ones guess but one is definitely to try and produce a vaccine which would of course be very handy in the event of an attack using Ebola as a bio-“weepen of mass destruction”.
Ebola’s use as a biological weapon has great potential.
I reckon the “Americans” definitely want to do a little research on these two for what ever purposes.
Im only relieved they weren’t sent to another country for the Americans to do their research like they do for their torturing of prisoners of war.
I think the risks of the two infected spreading the disease into America are negligible.
People with the disease are no longer contagious after two or three weeks from the first signs of the symptoms appearing, by this time most depending on the strain or luck are dead. Even their possible death poses no threat to the United States as they aren’t going to be embalmed and have their bodily fluids played around with by community and family members before being buried which is what happens in some African countries following traditional burial rights. No they will be tossed into an incinerator instead.
Carriers that show no symptoms are the most dangerous and remain contagious for much longer, and would spread the disease along similar lines to HIV.
Lastly Donald Trump or “I are baboon” is an insult to that rather intelligent species and Americans. Certainly he would be more use to a troop of them as entertainment than he is to America as their court jester.
I agree Paddyannie can this Anton voice a disagreement without sounding like he wants to kill everyone in his path? Realize Anton, Texas was not even a part of the United States when it fought mainly the Spanish in Florida as well. I grant Anton, we have no rights to interfere with the cultures of other countries, but don’t ask for our soldiers to die on your battlefields.
Sounds a lot like Thomas Jefferson who sent the Cherokee Indians on the Trail of Tears. Radicals such as any hate group still existing in apparently greater numbers elsewhere in the world.
Wow Anton where did you learn such sucky manners in disagreeing with other people?
Can’t you discuss a subject with someone you disagree with, without sounding like you want them and their whole country dead?
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Kathy and Anton, the right wing and the left wing of the same bird?
Two sides of the same extremist coin?
Most people don’t sit on the extreme edges of an issue. We sit in the middle somewhere, a tad to the right or left, but not out of sight of the middle.
Most people don’t view issues as a coin with two sides, both sides being extremes. The example of a coin doesn’t fit most people because most people are like the edge of the coin – we see both sides.
Anton, can you understand that news of ebola scares people? And scared people, from every country, want to close their borders until the disease itself has died out. Uninfected countries in Africa have closed their borders with infected countries. Completely closed the border!
Other countries are refusing flights from infected countries. Even religious pilgrims are not being allowed this year if they are from infected countries. This is common sense.
Uninfected people want to stay uninfected. Black Americans don’t want infected people fleeing to their communities – they don’t want infected white people, they don’t want infected Hispanic people, they don’t want infected black people walking around their neighborhoods either. They don’t want ebola. They don’t want people, of any color, carrying ebola to migrate to their neighborhoods. This is exactly like the white and Hispanic neighborhoods.
Uninfected Hispanic communities don’t want whites, blacks, or even other Hispanics to flee to their neighborhood if those people have or are carrying ebola. And don’t fault white people for having the same fears that everybody else has. Hispanics would even tell the Pope to stay home if he had ebola. Nobody wants ebola. Even the Vatican isn’t saying “if you have ebola, fly to Rome, and take a bus to the Vatican”. Nobody wants ebola.
That said. It is difficult to close a border between a wealthy country and an overpopulated one.
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What is right wing? What is left wing? These terms did have fixed meaning long ago. But the emotional outlooks, as well as the cool thinking, of the 1950s are now considered right wing.
And the “love everybody”1960s is left wing.
But if you think of the “center” as being whatever position the current government is doing, then the left wing is looser then the current government, and the right wing is the viewpoint tighter than the government.
The current US government isn’t maintaining control of the border. If you want the US government to control the border better – then you are called “right wing” on the border issue.
The current government has not dropped all border control, as Anton wants, so Anton is to the left of Obama & Congress, so Anton is considered “left wing” on the issue of the border.
These aren’t insults! Own what you are! Accept yourself, love what you are! We don’t have to think the same – how boring and stagnating would that be?
Hi Paddyannie: II think this is quite fair question and a timely one.
“These aren’t insults! Own what you are! Accept yourself, love what you are! We don’t have to think the same – how boring and stagnating would that be?”
Read more: http://www.border-wars.com/2014/08/ebola-coming-to-america-no-thanks.html#ixzz39f8GDoUP
Many view right-wing spectrum, as a system of hierarchy and inequality. Where
American government is presently going. There will be no middle class, but the very wealthy and the working poor class, but as a World Government as the wealth is spread among the population of the world.
Right and Left were coined during the French Revolution.
I guess the terms in the 50’s school children were having air raid drills because of the threats of Communist Russia. In the 60’s could be determined in this fashion. The “Love” generation of the 60’s Flower Children, but protest e against the War in Vietnam social issues are quite different to issues today. America keeps changing. Change in America from 1955-1977 with “Civil Rights and Black Power Period.
Far-right politics or extreme-right politics are right-wing politics to the right of the mainstream centre right on the traditional left-right spectrum. … fascism, neo- fascism and other ideologies or organizations that feature extreme nationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, racist or reactionary views. Sorry this is not me and is insulting. Did you note Anton made reference of my race and nationality when he has not a clue. Radical, bias and prejudice assuming because someone out there has the ability to know who and what they stand without some political agenda telling them what to think, and how to come to their conclusions.
It could also be explained as: Right wing beliefs value tradition, they are about equity, and they believe in economic freedom. They typically believe that business shouldn’t be over regulated by government, and that we should all take responsibility for ourselves without government over regulations. Right wing people tend to believe they shouldn’t have to pay for someone else’s education or health service. They believe in freedom to succeed. .
Left wing beliefs are assumed to more usually progressive in nature, and contend they look to the future, aim to support those who cannot support themselves, are idealist and believe in equality.
Now all that being said: This is what I am proud to state and said well for me in this link.
http://www.theobjectivestandard.com/2012/06/political-left-and-right-properly-defined/
Thank you for the opportunity to answer your questions.
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Hi Kathy,
Some people might not like to be called “extreme” right wing, or “extreme” left wing. But most people tend to either be right or left of the center – that’s no insult.
Love what you are! Accept that other people can be different from you, but still be good people.
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I agree no one sees themselves generally as an extremist.
Extremists can be left-wing or right-wing, but their views are typically far beyond the boundaries of logic.
Political extremist refers to a person or group that holds a set of beliefs that diverge from society’s norm. Extremist is a derogatory term, and to label someone as such is to accuse him or her of holding radical views that do not hold up to scrutiny or logic.
They show disdain for the rights and liberties of others, but resent the limitations of their own activities. Groups that are commonly labeled as extremist include Neo-Nazis, white supremacists such as Skinheads, and Holocaust Deniers. Extremists have many ironic qualities, such as the need to define themselves by naming their enemies. They favor censorship of their enemies but use intimidation and manipulation to spread their own assertions and claims. Now you fully understand why I am insulted.
Hi Kathy,
Did anyone here call you an extremist? I don’t agree with whoever wrote the definition you quote for “extremist”. A think it just means a person whose opinions about some topic are to either extreme from either the norm or from the current reality.
For example, Anton’s idea of complely opening the border seems extreme, but what if every country opened their borders completely, and treated every person the same? There wouldn’t really be nationality. This might be the future if governments find that they can’t secure their borders.
The problem with applying Anton’s idea include:
1. Few governments would agree en mass. Many poorer countries secure their borders because they have even poorer countries near them.
Other poor countries let people enter their borders easily, but wont give illegal immigrants the same privledges as their own citizens. Like the ability to get a job, drive a car, or rent an apartment.
2. Even if some governments accepted immigrants who walk across their borders, the local population might drive them away. This is usually due to some people believeing that religious rules ought not be things you willingly obey and follow, but laws, like government laws, the are externally enforced.
In the US, volentarily following religious rule is often like a gift of service, it is something a person does to show God their respect and love for Him, that they willingly sacrafice pleasures to show Him that they are His followers and that they obey Him willingly, lovingly, respectfully.
If an outside force, like a government or neighbor, forces someone to obey, then the complience is involuntary, so the doer loses credit with God, because he is viewed as obeying because he is forced or pressureed into obeying, not out of his own feelings or his own loyality to God.
Not all religions feel this way, so even if their borders were open, and if the government treated all immigrants as citizens, it could still be impossible to immigrate without converting.
3. It isn’t always fun to move to a new culture. And if a group of people from culture “A” move into country “B” and bring their own culture with them, their numbers can force the citizens to loose their own culture even if it replaced to a no-culture state.
4. Many countries plan ahead. They discourage more than 2 babies per woman. Their citizens grow rich, their low numbers mean higher pay for each of them.
Countries who didn’t plan ahead have poor people. Poor people cross borders to enjoy the fruits of living in a birth controlled country. But they reduce the jobs and pay of the workers whose country they immigrate to.
And they often keep the same cultural ideas which made them poor and caused them to flee their homeland. In the US, we often find that immigrants flee from the long term effects of their culture but then try to protest to implement those same unworkable policies here.
It is like the story of the grasshopper and the ant. The ant prepares for the winter by working in the summer to store up food in his home. The grasshopper plays and sings in the summer. But when winter comes, the grasshopper sees that the ants have food, and he expects the ants to fed him from their savings.
Of course this story applies more to nations than people, as immigrants often want to work in their host country. A person can’t be held responsible for the policies of the country he fled from (unless he still agrees with those policies). But illegal immigration does steal the jobs and affluence away from the citizens of the invaded country.
5. Polices, of governments or religions, can be a force of war, not a war of bullets but of numbers and invasions. The mothers don’t intend to be used, but if they have more children than their own country can employ, they might have been used to create an army of invaders.
Where will the children go if there is no work, no food, no comfortable standard of living in the country of their birth? They go to where the per capita standard is higher.
But the point is “per capita”. For example: two countries might both have 100,000 tons of grain in their harvest. But one country has only 100,000 people, the other country has a million people. The countries have the same harvest, but per capita, the people of the less populated country have more grain.
This is true of land too. Two areas both with a million acres aren’t the same if one area has 100,000 people but the other area has a million people. The two areas have the same amount of land, but per capita, the people of one area h
Each have more land than the other.
Some people understand this. Some countries plan ahead. Some countries don’t plan ahead. But the fear is that some group might plan ahead by making laws that encourage its own people, or its own followers, to overpopulate and emigrate, in the hopes that the emigrating people will retain their loyalties to the county they fled from, and take over less populated lands.
6. The difficulty in teaching people to get along well with people they disagree with. Like the old song, who cares if i say toe-may-toe and you say toe-mah-toe, lets fall in love anyway!
All of that said and true, would i move to a better country than the US if i could get a job and an apartment there? You bet your plane ticket i would.
The problem isn’t really with the people who cross borders illegally, unless they are infected with disease or unwilling to convert to the culture they are moving to, but the real problem is in the policies of the countries who created a government that its own people flee from.
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Hi Paddyannie: It is really not that I am insulted. Guess the better word is disgusted and take high exception to these terms of right and left wing.
The problem is extremist, radicals, racist and terrorism in manipulation accusations when individuals voice a thought provoking viewpoint. Indeed it has become so common place many do not realize has become part of their communication skills. Being on debating teams …you knew …you had won…when the labeling names were directed at you. They knew you had either out research them and knew they were wrong.
Oh for goodness sake.
“What if everyone opened their borders….. there really wouldn’t be nationality….ad nauseam”
Ever heard of Europe? You will notice Europeans crossing borders day and night without passports, French, Dutch, German Greek etc.
No they didn’t run out and burn dictionaries and lose their identity. Purely on a practical basis life has got 100% easier thats all, easier to cross borders trade and get on with being a community.
My idea is not extreme, granted the European model hasn’t been perfect but economic integration and single currency etc are a different ball game.
In the case of Mexico and the United States I don’t see much of a problem at all. No they don’t want to steal the MidWest and etc just work, live like anyone else.
America has an ageing work force for one it very much needs a constant flow of Mexican labour and will be needing so more and more.
Do you honestly expect Mexicans to dig tunnels and swim for eternity to make America “your’ America prosperous and not offer them permanent residence?
For myself I prefer Mexico, the relief is palpable as you dive cross the border going out. Its true I do have the luxury of finding informal settings extremely pleasant be they in Europe or the developing world. Gone are the water guzzling kitsch municipal plantings, endless over worked twee suburbs, ugly and yet more endless strip malls and and and……the world comes alive the world beckons it even smells better on the other side Kathy. Har har ha!
The wild in America has been long tamed boxed and branded.
Paddyannie and what culture is American culture exactly? If not a complete mix? Not a melting pot a mix like Christmas cake is.
Hi Anton: So you are a supporter of the Twee Revolution?
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/07/the-twee-revolution/372273/
” Gone are the water guzzling kitsch municipal plantings, endless over worked twee suburbs, ugly and yet more endless strip malls and and and……the world comes alive the world beckons it even smells better on the other side Kathy. Har har ha!”
“The wild in America has been long tamed boxed and branded. ”
Read more: http://www.border-wars.com/2014/08/ebola-coming-to-america-no-thanks.html#ixzz3A63TseXB
Hello Anton: Are you aware to the difficulties in France, and even peaceful Switzerland?
http://islamversuseurope.blogspot.com/2011/11/swiss-develop-new-technique-to-deter.html
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4120/islamization-france#
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2013/06/13/germany-muslim-no-go-areas-where-even-the-police-are-afraid-to-go/
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/14/world/europe/as-hate-crimes-rise-british-muslims-say-theyre-becoming-more-insular.html?_r=0
I understand that this Twee social gentle revolution brings to the forefront the loss of less radical times with art, music, sexual and drug abuse and dress codes of too many young adult Americans. However, let us take this into consideration rather how the assessment of reality of mixing quickly over population illegal immigration with vast differences in heritage of social culture.
“I wanted a record of things coming together for a certain type of un-macho/uncool—or anti-macho/anti-cool—thrift store and Internet savvy people,” Spitz says. “They could be the kind of people you want to punch in the face, but they could also be kind of heroic as far as anti-bullying and stuff like that. If one kid reads it and doesn’t feel like a freak, then that’s always a good thing.”
“People are into anti-cool, cardigan sweaters, nerd glasses, Belle & Sebastian,” he says. “There were dozens and dozens of things which accrued to create an aesthetic that people now understand as an aesthetic. If you take just one of those things and look at it, it’s a curiosity. But if you take all of them, it’s a way of expressing yourself, especially if you’re young. It’s a movement you can belong to like punk rock.”
You really see this as a political point of view?
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2014/06/the-gentle-revolution-marc-spitz-chronicles-the-hi.html
Hi Anton,
It seems that I didn’t make my points clear enough for you to understand them, let me try again.
When one country encourages it’s too plentiful population to go illegally into a neighboring country, the more populated country should have the courtesy to reciprocate by letting the population, from the neighbor that they are settling into, to come live in their country too.
This has not been the case with Mexico, which doesn’t open it’s arms to Americans. I once had neighbors who said that they were Mexicans, but they spoke English without an accent, so I asked them where we’re they born. They were born in America. So I said they were Americans, not Mexicans.
The husband didn’t seem to believe me. I said his parents were Mexicans, he was an American. He said he would check on it and see which government claimed him. America gave him an American passport with no more, or less, hassle than me getting my first passport, but Mexico rejected him, no passport, no citizen rights in Mexico.
Yet many Americans from Mexican parents seem to feel as you do. They don’t feel like they are Americans, perhaps they just can’t divide their nationality from that of their parents and their older generations, or perhaps, like yourself, they seem to hate America and love Mexico, or if they have never been to Mexico, to love all things Mexican like clothes, food, language, religion.
This can get weird because cultures change everywhere, so these young Americans are in love with the Mexico their grandmother grew up in, and if they ever go to Mexico, they will be surprised, not in a good way. The phrase being “you can never go home” meaning “if you go Home, to that special place you remember in your heart, it will have changed so much that you never feel at home”.
Like trying to go back to Ireland or Scotland, and expecting it to still be like GloccaMorra. How can I take my mother back to a place she loves from hearing about as a child, but which surely can’t have stayed the same as the image she has formed of it? Indeed, is any of the Europe I heard and read about as a child, still like it was? Or is all of that mere history now? Gone like the dinosaurs?
I understand this happened to many Italian Americans. They learn Italian from their grandparents and parents, they eat Italian cooking at home, love Italy. They retire from work and go to Italy. Only to find that their family fled Italy when it united when everyone had to all adopt the same language, now called “Italian”. But their ancestors carried and passed down their older local language. Italian Americans try to visit the home of their hearts and find that the place their family originally came from no longer speaks their dialect, and Italians in Italy and newer arrivals, don’t understand them.
Immigrants to America should want to be Americans, otherwise they are just people working here, not really immigrants. If I moved to Europe, I would want to fit in and become typically European.
If you are an American, why not accept that?
If you want the border open, why not expect it to be truly open in both directions? With Mexicans coming to America for work, and Americans being allowed to sign up for the much less expensive Mexican health care, and being allowed to buy property (not just lease property) in Mexico? And with Americans (of all colors) getting the right to work in Mexico too. It should work both ways.
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Hi Anton,
Again, in Europe, the borders and the ability to move and work is 2 way. Here, it is much easier for Mexicans to settle in the USA, than for Americans to settle in Mexico.
Americans accept Mexicans more than Mexicans accept Americans, not only on a government level, but a personal level as well. In Mexico, it is common for Mexicans to be polite to Americans, then when the American turns away, to spit on the ground and say “Gringo!” (An insulting word for Americans).
In Mexico, I have been stranded at bus stations because the cashier would not sell me a ticket until all the Mexicans behind me in line got their tickets. Gringos only got tickets just before the bus pulled away, if there was no Mexicans who wanted a seat on the bus.
And it is common, very common, for Mexians to move here and insult and hate Americans and American ways. Even the children and grandchildren of Mexicans will often say, as you have, how much they don’t like Americans.
I had a new boss who didn’t like Americans. He admitted he wasn’t really a Mexican, called himself a “Latino”, and said white and black women were ugly (in front of the same) and that he only liked other Latinos. He bad mouthed American men, behind their backs (because he wasn’t a big man) for being Americans, but insulted American women as a group, to American women with long anti-American rants.
It has to go equally on both sides. It is wrong to say that it is OK for Mexicans to insult Americans, but not OK for Americans to not be totally accepting of all Mexicans and all of Mexican traditional ways. It has to be fair.
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Paddyanne:
You are quite correct Americans have accepted Mexicans but they do not accept Americans black or white far to often . We now have Television stations in their own language with no captions in English. We have sections in our grocery stores …long aisle of prepared foods for the Mexican. They likewise, hate the English language and want us to learn theirs. My grandparents who both spoke and wrote the English language also spoke their native tongue and could communicate in varies native languages with other earlier legal immigrants. However, felt in public it was ignorant and scary to speak anything but English in America. My grandfather explained to me, “You see Kathy when people do not know what you are saying, they fear you might be saying “kill that stupid person”, or let’s follow them home and steal their money”
You see Anton many Americans have rented or sold them property and given them work. I have seen and experienced lovely homes after just a short period of time completely destroyed. Employers have get difficulties with the hygiene problems of this present culture of Mexican individuals for example.
I was in the local bank, and old acquaintance a African -American who is an Electrician for thirty years employed by a local contractor. He had a Mexican he was training putting in an electric outlet addition. We said, hello when he instructed and corrected the Mexican man on the wiring. The Mexican trainee said, “I hate the English language, and about time you spoke my language.” Old acquaintance said to him, “Excuse me my people had to come to America and learn the English language, and so should you.” The Mexican then called him a Racist. Saw my old acquaintance a few days later in town. He had been fired for being a Racist.
I grew up likely because of my Grandparents learning and being enriched by multi-cultures of America. I feel most fortunate for this opportunity, but there is a book you might want to read.
” The Ugly American” Does anyone remember When in Rome …Do as the Romans Do? Proverb meaning: 1.behave as those around do
2.conform to the larger society
This quote was noted by “Aurelius Ambrosius, better known in English as Saint Ambrose (c. 340 – 4 April 397), was an archbishop of Milan who became one of the most influential ecclesiastical figures of the 4th century. He was consular prefect of Liguria and Emilia, headquartered in Milan, before being made bishop of Milan by popular acclamation in 374. Ambrose was a staunch opponent of Arianism, and also fostered persecutions of both Jews and pagans.’
What I do not understand it is said that Mexicans; Very nationalistic.
Proud of long history and traditions. Reluctant to settle outside Mexico. Comparison differences in Americans are: Very patriotic.
Proud of “American way of life.”
Assumes everyone shares his/her materialistic values.
(Canadian) Less than U.S.. Often has more ” World” view.
Hi again Anton,
I will try to be more precise and not assume a common pool of shared outlook.
As for Europe, if the individual countries merge into a united Europe, the idea of being French, Scottish, German, will be lost, as all school children learn from the same texts, without any perspective other than that of “European”. Maybe that is good, maybe not.
Didn’t Germany merge from smaller countries into a united Germany? Italy did, they merged from countries of different languages. Britain is an united country. Europe could be one country.
But to not see problems in uniting countries, is naive. There are problems. Look at the financial collapses of southern Europe. Greece, Italy, Portugal, Spain, all saved by Germany. Also, when Europe opened their borders within Europe, they, unwillingly, opened their borders to countries who weren’t reciprocal with them.
So again, there is a problem where some people want their citizens to be welcome into countries they illegally immigrate to, and they want their emigrants to be allowed to take their culture, customers, and religions to their new homes, and to practice the same there.
But they don’t want to reciprocate, and let settlers, who don’t want to assimilate, to move to their country, bringing their own customs, cultures, and religion.
It has to work both ways. If you want to go to another country but not assimilate, then you have to let other people come to your country and bring their own clothes, language, foods and drinks, sexually and family habits, language and religions.
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Paddyannie: I agree you have this history correct. Seems what Anton does not understand the problems and solutions of the reality of culture and Human factor. The bases of two very different cultures melting with an objective knowledge of the other culture can repeatedly be examined not only in America but around the world throughout history, and continues with current wars around the world today.
One important difference is the western emphasis on “individualism”. We think what is most important about people are their individual values and ideas, the beliefs they’ve developed from their own unique perspective.
Data shows that Americans, if asked about who they are, will emphasize facts about their biography that differentiate them from other people, while Asians will emphasize where they are from, and what the people in that city or region do. This in my opinion is because of Americans trials, and struggles with cultural differences …Our “American individualism” as an expression of the great discoveries of the Enlightenment. But cultural psychologists may think it is a culture-bound way of thinking that’s no more valid than any other way of thinking.
Because we with the exception of the American Indians are all decedents of legal immigrants coming to America as the Statue of Liberty inscription states: ” Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free; The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, Tempest-tossed to me. Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free;
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore, Send these, the homeless,
Tempest-tossed to me
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!
No one promised these early immigrants anything more than the right to Liberty. Many arrived in America with only the clothes on their backs. They came for the opportunity to breathe as free men and woman.
Hi again Anton,
You don’t think there would be any problems removing the border between the US and Mexico?
Maybe not from your point of view? Maybe Mexico doesn’t see any problems? What are you saying?
Of course there are problems.
The US has pressured it citizens to have small families, 2 children per couple. This was to keep the standard of living high. Which way do you think it should go?
A. Also limit reproduction in Mexico?
B. Tell Americans that their “limiting now to get more later”, won’t work (but it did work, it worked so well, people flocked here from other countries, swamping the ship with unplanned for numbers)?
C. Say that Americans, or some subsets thereof, should all limit the number of children they can have, so that Mexico can send more of its surplus workers here?
Anton, which are you suggesting be done?
No country can keep producing more people without becoming very poor, eventually even hungry, unless it sends it’s surplus of people to invade another country who has limited their own reproduction. This is just how it is.
WW2, Germany found itself with more people than food, so it entered French farmlands near the border. The French tried to drive the invaders back. War broke out everywhere.
It is an old phallacy that Illegal immigrants, from various countries, are all content with underpaid dirty jobs “that nobody else wants”.
The truth is that immigrants all want a better job too. And they can outcompete Americans by getting paid under the table – often in cash without paying taxes.
Many people who were born and raised in America can’t get work here. They live with aging parents or are homeless, or living in cars in friends’ driveways,
More Americans are not upwardly mobile anymore. Foreign doctors and trained high skilled workers from other countries immigrate here too.
That many Americans live long lives is not the problem. Nobody wants to die young. Employment is the major issue here. Unemployment and underemployment. The population numbers planned for were changed by illegal immigration higher than the quotas.
Quotas assured that America maintained diversity, not getting lots of immigrants from just a few countries, but a few immigrants from many different countries of very different cultures. And that America can limit those immigrants to those who follow the rules.
How can old America unite with a foreign country whose population doesn’t like Americans? People who like what America is, assimilate into America’s ‘melting pot’.
They learn English. They learn to like a variety of American foods, music, movies, etc. they don’t just keep the same foods, music, etc, of the country their parents fled away from.
They assimilate into America. They accept that they were born here, and that they aren’t from the same country that their parents or grandparents fled from but remained loyal to.
They simply accept that they are Americans.
Which, Anton, you seem to be having a problem with?
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Hi again Anton,
You focused your reply to Mexico. And I have answered that, and why there really would be problems dropping the border, especially unilaterally.
But the US is a magnet for poor people from many other countries too. How do you feel about the idea of opening the US border to everyone from any country?
Excluding countries currently quarantined because of epidemics, of course.
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Hi Paddyannnie: Did you see the current news of our Government. Do you think this is really right wing? http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/08/06/serious-limitations-govt-watchdogs-unite-in-letter-slamming-obama/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D511936
Now will they blame the writers of this letter of being the Rinos Republicians? Will each signer be attacked by outdated political party naming calling or will the Racist card be played again?
Of course lots of Americans have made mistakes! Our government makes blunders all the time. But all the people being mention died before any of us were born. Time to get over old history and move on. People lets not argue about things that happened before the 50 states were the 50 states, unless you remember when it was the 48 states? But not old history before that, where everybody responsible is dead, and our culture has changed.
America changes all the time.
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Google: Charlotte ebola.
Guess what i just read on NBC? The doctor that’s in Atlanta now? His wife and kids were with him in Africa until a few days before he got sick. They are all taking their temperatures several times a day.
The sick nurse? her husband was with her in Africa – but she is in Atlanta now, where is he? If if he isn’t sick, why not?
Charlotte NC ring any bells? That is where the charity Samaritan’s Purse is – the ones that sent the people to take care of the African ebola patients. What else is in Charlotte NC?
Did i mention that dogs get the ebola virus? But we know none of us could have dogs get infected at a dog show, right? Because all the dogs have to have a vet exam to cross state lines, and that exam is good for, what?, 10 days.
And everybody traveling with dogs stops every 10 days and gets all their dogs a fresh health certificate right? And the dog show always asks to see each dog’s fresh vet health certificate, right. So show dogs couldn’t become the typhoid Marys of dogdom, could they? We have nothing to worry about, right?
Maybe show judges should stop touching the dogs? Or wear fresh gloves before each dog they touch – like vets do. In cat shows the judges wash their table with disinfectant after every cat is on it, and then wash their hands in sanitizer before every cat.
But dogs could never get ebola from a show judge who doesn’t wash their sweaty hands, right? And a show judge couldn’t possibly get ebola from a dog?????
Big winking smilely face here! (;oD)
What dog thingy in Charlotte NC? The AKC.
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Ya think President Obama is still getting his BBQ ribs from the rib joint in Asheville?
Asheville, Charlotte (where the nurse is from, and Samaritan’s Purse), and Boone NC form a rough triangle, maybe about a hundred miles per side. Boone is where the sick doctor, now in Atlanta, is said to live. His family was with him in Africa. Takes up to 21 days for symptoms to show up.
Obama is going to retire to Asheville at the end of his presidency, so I heard. Wouldn’t be good for ebola to hit either Charlotte or Atlanta, both are major airport hubs.
I think Chris is right, set up a hospital in Africa and fly the ebola patients over there for treatment. Also, cancel all fights from Africa unless from Kenya, Cairo, South Africa, or other uninfected country. And make people who want to come back from Africa have passport proof that the last 30 days have been spent in a country neither infected nor next to an infected country. So doctors of the infected could spend 30 days like in Kenya before coming back to the US.
Think if you could go back in time to when the first American had AIDS! He was a male flight attendant going on flights to Haitie. If you could go back and prevent aids from getting a hold in America!
We can’t end ebola in Africa because of all the infected monkeys and the number of people who kill and eat them. But this is our chance to keep ebola out of America. Failure is not an option.
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Agree no options close the Borders, use the test NOW to determine who is bringing this disease with them. Indeed if we could only turn back the hands of time with AIDs.
YOu state: “We can’t end ebola in Africa because of all the infected monkeys and the number of people who kill and eat them. But this is our chance to keep ebola out of America.”
A few problems with the above
1) The animal host for Ebola is still somewhat uncertain, but much evidence points to fruit bats. See, eg., http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs103/en/
From what I’ve read, monkeys are not high on the list of potential hosts.
2) Ebola has been being kept and studied in US labs for many many years. So it’s a little late for keeping it out. Chris’ next post should convince you that research labs are vulnerable to leakage.
Hopes of developing a vaccine or a cure are much lower if the virus is kept out.
Hi Jen Robinson:
No question
Information within our Nation has become extremely difficult. Even press conferences are well reported to be rehearsed. What reporters are scheduled to ask their specific questions to the President. and which reporters are visibly never allowed to question him., True Reporting of who, what, when, and where is generally prejudice and bias. So it takes more than one source to put the puzzle together for solid information.
Since outbreaks of Ebola is nothing new for over twenty years and I did not say it but stated Monkey Brains was not on generally American’s menu as far as I know. A cultural difference to state it more plainly: This health issue killing hundreds and now thousands in now two decades of outbreaks of this disease. That won’t happen that Won’t happen”…not here in America seems to be the complacent phrase of too many Americans today. Realist such as myself, author of this Blog believe earth grows smaller and smaller with faster means of travel, etc. etc. This world where we actually need to care what is happening to others an ocean away. It is a survival of humanity ideal.
There have been vast articles which I provided a link written last December, 2013 Monkey brains were off the menu. Likewise Huffington Post with photos reveal currently ban continue of “bushmeat” known now to be a source of the spread of the Ebola virus in their world of disease control.
These same controls have been used here in the United States if you recognize the parallel of contaminated meat and varies products to control spread of disease and human death. I believe also linked the same information regarding the fruit bats. So let us use your chosen link and quotes if you prefer:
“Although non-human primates have been a source of infection for humans, they are not thought to be the reservoir but rather an accidental host like human beings. Since 1994, Ebola outbreaks from the EBOV and TAFV species have been observed in chimpanzees and gorillas. ”
RESTV has caused severe EVD outbreaks in macaque monkeys (Macaca fascicularis) farmed in Philippines and detected in monkeys imported into the USA in 1989, 1990 and 1996, and in monkeys imported to Italy from Philippines in 1992.
“Since 2008, RESTV viruses have been detected during several outbreaks of a deadly disease in pigs in People’s Republic of China and Philippines. Asymptomatic infection in pigs has been reported and experimental inoculations have shown that RESTV cannot cause disease in pigs.”
Now if we are truly in discussion session let us consider this link.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/8/4/ebola-deforestationclimatechange.html
“Researchers say this outbreak most likely started with humans being infected with Ebola after eating bats and possibly gorillas. Fruit bats are commonly eaten in stews in West Africa.” Now I do know about you but Fruit Bats are not on my Menu either.”
Paddyanne: Well said, those responsible are all dead. Now we live today with other poor leadership in many countries around the world for Peace. You and Anton remind me of another Anton Chekhov who wrote “8 Things Civilized People Do”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bruceupbin/2013/07/29/8-things-civilized-people-do-by-anton-chekhov/
My very old favorite is by Mark Twain “There are many humorous things in the world; among them, the white man’s notion that he is less savage than the other savages.”
― Mark Twain, Following the Equator: A Journey Around the World
Ebola isn’t about race, or language, not about your country or mine. It isn’t about one’s religion or work. It doesn’t have anything to do with money or education.
Its about who is sick with ebola or incubating ebola (like being a little bit pregnant, but not showing yet, but you will start showing symptoms) vs the uninfected.
If you have to choose to live with that jerk down the street who is not infected or the sister/ brother you love but who is infected. Go with the uninfected. Don’t hold hands with ebola.
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You bet Paddyannie:
“It is an old phallacy that Illegal immigrants, from various countries, are all content with underpaid dirty jobs “that nobody else wants”.
Read more: http://www.border-wars.com/2014/08/ebola-coming-to-america-no-thanks.html#ixzz3A0oFL3Zh
I likewise wish to bring to focus the problems facing American Education.
1. In the late 1990s, more immigrants came from Africa and non-Western regions such as Saudi Arabia, India, Pakistan, Iran, and Iraq. Some educators perceive our nation’s increasing diversity as a source of strength and enrichment to schools; others sometimes feel threatened by demographic changes, apprehensive with diverse learners, and generally speaking, unable to meet their educational needs.
2. I enjoyed diversity for its potential to enrich teaching-learning experiences, to enhance personal and social interactions, and to enrich our nation and schools.
Unfortunately, the rapidly changing demographics, different cultural and ethnic differences, and interactions with people who speak a native language other than English creates negative attitudes. The obvious as those resulting from physical violence and aggressive behaviors, their consequences have the potential to seriously impact educational and society situations,. The results and feelings often undermine the quality of educational experiences of diverse learners.
3. Understanding on both side of the cultural exchange and that lack of acceptance of unfamiliar customs, languages, and traditions can be lessened by learning about actual people and gaining first-hand familiarity with their characteristics.
* Uderstand that lack of acceptance of unfamiliar customs, languages, and traditions can be lessened by learning about actual people and gaining firsthand familiarity with their characteristics.
*Avoid education on inaccurate and stereotypical generalizations such as “no poor or homeless immigrant can achieve, and adapt to American society.
* Understand that cultural characteristics may vary, generational, socioeconomic status, and geographical differences rather than assume all immigrants of one culture share homogeneous characteristics.
Problems and solutions are based on open borders such as Americans face today are based on Nineteenth-century immigrants entering the United States brought many languages other than English.
Census documents have documented dramatic increases in non-English speakers in the United States. Three million students in the United States speak little or no English (U.S. Bureau of the Census, We the American… Hispanics, September 1993).
So is so unreasonable for these immigrants to learn English as our forefathers did? Is this so racist or right wing? I don’t think so.
Educators, employers as well as many Americans feeling unable to deal with’ cultural and limited English-speaking abilities may question relating and immigrants with differences and this arrogant attitude?
Hi Kathy,
America has always had many immigrants from many different countries. But we expect them all to be happy to be here, to like America and Americans, to try to become one of us, and to assimilate into America. It feels odd to have people move here but hate us, insult Americans, and try to change our laws to be more like the country they fled from.
Like everybody else, except the Native American Indians, my ancestors immigrated to America. But they didn’t try to make America change to be more like their old culture. They let their children become regular Americans. And let them marry people whose parents immigrated here from other countries.
The great mix of different cultures, instead of whole communities of people all from the same place, helped this; more thought needs to be put into helping immigrants assimilate.
I don’t believe that any country needs to banned from America, except temporary during epidemics. Because it is this mix, a little trickle from one culture, a handful from another, which made America the country it is. That is what diversity means.
But even America can’t take care of an unlimited flow of poor people. We don’t have enough jobs for everybody already here, let alone another wave of people.
Americans do sometimes get upset when there are too many illegal immigrants from the same country. For example, Americans from India, who waited for years until their turn to immigrate here, get upset waiting years for the rest of their family to get permission to come here, but seeing other people cross the border illegally, and monopolize a given neighborhood.
This is true of legal immigrants from Africa, Asia, etc. They waited their turn, their family is waiting their turn, but we can’t have more legal immigrants because of the illegal flood.
But mostly, we are an accepting country. Too accepting? Maybe. Right now, we don’t have the work or apartments for the Americans here. It rankles that America accepts so many immigrants but these same countries don’t open their borders, lands, and jobs to Americans. It needs to be both directions.
And people who hate Americans shouldn’t move to America. It’s just wrong to blow up buildings and people in America because you hate this country. Don’t move to places you hate.
Same with people who try to push Americans out of jobs, housing, and their own laws. If you move here, move here because you like it here. Don’t protest that it isn’t like the place you moved away from.
That’s not racist or anti-anything. Just a fact, America can’t take care of the people already here giving them all jobs and homes. Many people already here have been unemployed for a long time. People live with their parents etc. We need to slow down the amount of immigrants coming here. We need to control the flow. We need to screen out criminals and people carrying contagious diseases.
We need to keep diversity, a few people from each country legally into each American community, not lots of people from just a few other countries. And not a whole foreign village dumped isolated all in one suburb.
We need to screen out the haters who selfishly want everything their way. Who move here but hate Americans. Who call any common sense measure racist. Who want the beaches or borders open to their countrymen, but not to other foreigners.
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Paddyannie:
You are preaching to the choir. They seemingly coming here because they are getting health care, free college educations. housing, food, clothing and jobs because its free at the expense of Americans jobs, American poor and American tax dollars. Our poor and struggling middle class suffer not the ever growing Imperialist class. They might hate us and our language, but Americans are footing the bill.
An endangered language is a language that it is at risk of falling out of use, generally because it has few surviving speakers. If it loses all of its native speakers, it becomes an extinct language.
The key indicator of decline in cultural diversity is language loss. Linguists agree, however, that 50 percent of the world’s 7,000 languages are endangered. When an elder dies and carries with him or her to the grave the last syllables of a ancient tongue linguist report. They predict with a generation or two, we may witness the loss of half of humanity’s social cultural and intellectual legacy.
We are becoming a Nation of sign language and drawings rather than spoken or written word. Yes, do to foreign visitors a figure of man or woman for restrooms can avoid embarrassment and screams. .
How many Americans are aware or even care our school children only learn to print and not being taught to read cursive? How can they even read “Declaration of Independence”? Children I have noted home schooled are being taught, but not in public schools. American Parents who wish for their children to go to College are home schooling. Current situations in many public schools due to the language barrier to educate illegal immigrant children who have not a command of their own language is taking over public education.
A teacher in Orlando Florida told me to keep his teaching position was mandated to say a sentence in English and repeat it in Spanish.
I am aware that in many immigrant families in the past the children attending school in America helped the parents learn the customs and language of this country.
I use the Greek culture in Tarpon Springs, Florida as an example. This school district for decades now consist of primary American Greek families whose children do not learn English until they attend school. It is a lovely community with many fine Greek restaurants for example. You can visit by the water and see the sponge drivers and their catch. You can also experience during Easter Holidays the Greek Orthodox customs of diving for the Gold cross, etc. However, many American families have moved into this community only to be forced to move due to their children education suffering while the Greek American children learn English.
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/04/30/should-schools-require-children-to-learn-cursive/handwriting-matters-cursive-doesnt
A language is not merely a set of grammatical rules or a vocabulary. It is the vehicle by which the soul of each particular culture comes into the material world. Things are ‘lost’ between generations, -when they’re not taught. What are American children learning when many of these current illegal immigrants do not know how to speak and write their own language? I have heard this concern from other Central American and South America people.
I note that legal immigrants who have become Americans likewise quietly shake their heads of the inequality of this present situation. They don’t have their native language printed everywhere for them. They waited and came to this country legally without contagious diseases. Why shouldn’t these Mexicans ignore the laws of our lands our government has two different sets of rules for immigrants?
“Health care etc”!!!!!
Are you a raving lunatic. In fact an open border will facilitate no end all those elderly Americans flocking to Mexico to get those affordable generic and brand drugs so they don’t die.
Spanish should be compulsory at schools.
Hi Kathy,
The main problem isn’t just immigrants hating Americans and not assimilating. It is just the number of immigrants.
If you invite 12 people to spend the weekend at your home, and they bring 300 of their friends, it gets crowed and expensive to feed them all. And if they never leave….you end up pushed out of your own home by people you don’t know and didn’t invite.
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Hi Anton,
I answered your question – and at great length. Are you going to answer mine? Do you want the USA to open its borders to people from everywhere, or just to people from your country?
If we open the borders to everybody, the US government will collapse and it will quickly become a poor country. If we open the borders just to people from your country that’s racist.
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Just Mexico Paddy.
My countrymen are not clambering exactly to live in the USA in fact none of the three countries which I hold passports to are in particular.
The green card lottery is frequently advertised though, more wishful thinking I suppose as people think it’s a joke at best and just a little insulting at worst.
“Kinda like” Uncle Sam needs you! But the sentiment is not reciprocated.
Hi Anton,
Isn’t that a tad racist? You want to USA to open its border, but only to Mexicans? How about the poor people in Asia and Africa?
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Paddyannie: It seems Anton has settled to be branded and boxed under what is considered modern. Just reminds me of another version of Flower Children.
http://www.amazon.com/Twee-Gentle-Revolution-Television-Fashion/dp/0062213040
Oooops I thought places like Martha’s Vineyard, Santa Barbara, Santa Monica, San Diego, Florida just for random flavour of what that I consider twee.
You know reality taken to the point of plastic. All traces of spontaneity obliterated in favour of sickly, contrived charm, in commerce too. Disney Land turned reality.
On the other hand unabashed tacky in the form of strip mall, both don’t appeal.
I used to think it was from spending too much time in Los Angeles or California as a whole but its a pretty much standard ideal. Difficult to wash right out of your hair unless you cross the border into Canada or Mexico.
Flower children? Get real.
Well, I am happy for you. You found somewhere to wash you hair. Canada is a beautiful country but they do control their Borders and are addressing percentage of immigrants coming from varies parts of the world to keep social unrest at bay. Flower children were known originally to desire the simpler way of life. They grew their own food and lived simple type of village life in communes. Hippies …Beatniks – Bra burner era all rolled into one. They were young now many are Baby Boomers. Nothing new Anton:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/11/peace-love-and-social-security-baby-boomers-retire-to-the-commune/248583/
Snore ZZZZzzzzzzz. Dog days and all. Time to watch the bunnies herding sheep. Tis the silly season after all. Some of our brains have curdled
You have a point, its only fair to include Canada, Mexico and Cuba.
Guatemala, Belize, Honduras, El Salvador and Nicaragua on stand by. Though Mexico’s economy is looking perky and we don’t want their culture swamped with weirdness. I mean will they be just regular Mexicans if they came over? Pumpkin pie and thanks giving, all that? Or will they obstinately carry on eating Guacamole and singing loudly in Yiddish? Its a close call.
For those who are unaware of this term to better understand Anton political points of view to some degree is consider Modern. .
http://www.salon.com/2014/03/25/it_isnt_easy_being_twee_why_the_wes_anderson_aesthetic_is_good_for_everyone/
” Twees, as I saw them, were souls with an almost incapacitating awareness of darkness, death and cruelty, who made the personal choice to focus on essential goodness and sweetness. They kept a tether to childhood and innocence and a tether to adulthood as is required by the politically and socially active. They had a healthy interest in sex but also a healthy wariness and shyness when it came to the deed. Where there was a wild lust, it was for knowledge, whether it meant the musical arrangements on or sequence of an album, the filmographies of supporting players in an old Truffaut or Hal Ashby film. What’s so terrible about that? Sure, they all moved to Brooklyn and ruined it, but I lived in Brooklyn in 1992 and with full acknowledgment of those gentrified out of affordable housing, it wasn’t that great when it was dead empty and you could hear your footsteps echo on Bedford Avenue at 10 p.m.”
I have a question: why don’t the poor immigrants across the border into Canada? What keeps them out? No fence except in towns. Plenty of land. Melt snow for water. Could hunt all those bears for meat – if not caught.
Canada is a very beautiful place in the summer. Lots of land.
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Hi Paddyannie: Seems the Australians are likewise thinkers
“If you have been following our reports on Australia (here) you know that after decades of boat people arriving on their shores and demanding asylum, the Abbott government is actively turning them back at sea (most are from faraway Muslim countries).”
“Ah, if only America had this kind of leadership”
What do they know in Australia that Americans do not know here?
http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2014/08/06/australias-muslim-migrants-call-for-caliphate-from-the-streets-of-sydney/
Now do you know what this word caliphate means?
“A caliphate is a an Islamic state — and then some. In theory, a caliphate is more than just a country that happens to be officially Muslim; it is supposed to encompass every Muslim on earth. The last time that sort of caliphate existed was many centuries ago. But the word caliphate still evokes the idea of a glorious and unified Islamic civilization, which is what the first caliphates were.”
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/10/5884593/9-questions-about-the-caliphate-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask
Why? For those who do not know Christmas Island Location. Christmas Island is an Australian Non-self Governing External Territory, located in the Indian Ocean on the rim of South East Asia, …
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Australians-Against-Illegal-Immigrants-Refugees/278126828914503
http://refugeeresettlementwatch.wordpress.com/2014/04/25/australia-turning-back-illegal-aliens-and-the-un-is-hopping-mad/
Don’t get me wrong I love America there are some of the most beautiful places found on our good earth there.
I just find your assumption that I want to live there delusional misguided arrogance.
Secondly Abbott in Australia is a prime example of a right wing lunatic. He has publicly stated that Australia was “unsettled” before the arrival of the Europeans. Refused to halt sending back refugees to war torn Iraq…..has had refugees processed and refused in the middle of the sea on a boat after they’ve gone through horrific ordeals starving and dehydrated…… then lied about it to cover up.
In fact here is nice handy list of the kind of man Abbott is. He almost makes George Bush look like a liberal.
http://sallymcmanus.net/abbotts-wreckage/
Hi Anton: How can anyone be sure if we are not there but did find your link interesting. You seem to like the term “right wing lunatic” Maybe if we lived in Australia and could experience first hand could make better sense of the varies media reports. The Australians have important Allies sharing the same values of Patriotism and individual freedom? It is like the difference in viewing from spectrums of viewpoint …a Freedom Fighter or just a combative character; aggressive, especially in the service of a cause: a militant political activist.? Seemingly it all depends on who wins what label the person is finally identified.
http://www.overcomingbias.com/2012/07/is-world-government-
inevitable.html
I have not the assurances, imprudence and impertinence to put labels or assumptions about anyone.
World government with no independent countries worldwide is concerning to many countries. This is just one link in concerns around the world. As far back as 1950, journalist Vincent Sheean argued that renouncing national sovereignty was the only way to prevent nuclear war.
Hello Anton: As I have stated Bias and Prejudice reigns high in media reporting. Read this report about fight against Terrorist Fighters in Australia.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-08-18/abbott-meets-with-muslim-leaders-to-sell-counter-terrorism-laws/5678538
Paddannie: Guess because Canada does offer a free ride? Looked it up their immigration laws. http://canadaonline.about.com/od/immigration/?utm_term=canadian%20immigration%20laws&utm_content=p1-main-1-title&utm_medium=sem&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=adid-bc9b8d6f-1c6d-4588-822c-df2fcd6aaeca-0-ab_gsb_ocode-5951
It would be great if every poor immigrant coming to any country only wanted the opportunity to gain the RIGHTS of life liberty and PURSUIT of happiness. However, we know the problems of many cities in our country likewise are dealing with the criminal element. It is said over 100,000 estimated criminals have crossed our Southern Borders.
Hispanic gangs are now the most powerful criminal operatives in the United States and in much of the world. The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) National Gang Intelligence Center (NGIC) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) estimate that 80 percent of U.S. crime is committed by gangs, including murder, rape, kidnapping, violent assaults, torture, robbery, and identity theft.
Criminal gangs are multiplying and successfully recruiting Hispanics born in the United States and abroad. Islamist terrorists have reached an accord with gangs for assistance in entering the United States without inspection.
Considering fluency in Spanish an advantage, Islamist terrorists are adopting Hispanic personas. Several gangs now specialize in serving as mentors to Islamist terrorists.
Read Latest Breaking News from Newsmax.com http://www.newsmax.com/JamesWalsh/Hispanic-gangs-illegal-immigrants/2010/06/07/id/361237#ixzz3A6jUNCqZ
http://www.nccivitas.org/2007/illegal-immigration-drugs-gangs-and-crime/
http://www.newsmax.com/JamesWalsh/Hispanic-gangs-illegal-
immigrants/2010/06/07/id/361237/
Now why are Latinos becoming Moslems? We know Anton you think everything they print is BS.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/why-many-latinos-are-beco_n_4077103.html
If anyone has knowledge faced by law enforcement today and National Security you would recognize this is nothing to argue. The United States must get back to tighter immigration entry into our country. You bet Anton makes it to easy without a shot to bring in the Ebolo virus. I am far from a scholar of this religion but it is my understanding:
‘The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter”
http://www.debbieschlussel.com/72742/muslim-illegal-aliens-southern-border-getting-hispanic-name-drivers-licenses/
Hi Kathy,
The bible says lots of things that most Christians don’t follow, sometimes a person just has to get along as well as they can, considering the situation they are in. I’m not a hardass about the details, just be nice to people, respect our world, and concern yourself more about if you are doing right instead of nagging other people to do what you believe is right.
Most people feel the same, they don’t expect their children to be perfect, and they know their parents can’t expect perfection from them. Same with the world. Government is made of people, businesses are groups of people, even the pope and all other living religious leaders are just people. And people can’t be perfect. Only a fool expects perfection from people. No need to get upset when people fail to meet high standards.
Let’s not say bad things about other religions, especially when neither of us know anything about the subject.
You would never expect Christians to follow everything in either testament. Other people probably don’t follow everything in their religion either.
Most rules of various Christian beliefs aren’t in either bible. Some religions say no sex before marriage, no birth control, never abortion, no drinking, no dancing, no prostitution, only one spouse, etc, but the bible is mute or accepting of many of these things.
I accept PEOPLE of various beliefs, so long as they don’t try to convert me or try to get me to follow their rules (like some of my relatives who think women should only wear dresses not pants – which is none of their business). But I have no desire to convert.
My main complaint about religion is that so many of the followers try to rob others of the right to chose. I am a woman. Many religions are mean to women. Why would anyone expect a woman to want to join a religion that limits women? And most religions don’t try to encourage women to be all they can be.
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Hi Kathy,
Lots of religions would love to take over the world. Remember that Europe wasn’t Christian, neither was any of the new world. So don’t knock just one religion on that score.
Most organized religions would rule if they could. Heck many of them would sacrifice half their people in battles just to rule over more turf. Even baboons fight over turf. That’s not so much religion, but something animals do too. Male fight more than females.
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Oh you get no argument here regarding the sanctimonious history of power and money of varies so called religions throughout history. That would be great if equality driven leadership would stick to Constitution of the United States of America. Separation of church and state. Seems Rev. Al Sharpton can get away with owing the Government $4.7 million dollars because? New report says he turned rat to save himself after a federal drug sting? Church and state, or just a frequent quest of the White House, or because leadership is more interested in this Activist for Civil Rights and Social Justice, not equality of the law.
Many countries tax religions. The US not only let’s people write off their government taxes by donating to any religion, it also doesn’t tax churches.
But strangely, the US allows any church to start or buy a company (soft drink companies being the usual example, but there are more types of US companies owned by churches) and none of these companies pay their taxes!
Most of these companies have nothing to do with religion, they are regular businesses, but they are not taxed because being owned by any church gives them the privilege of paying no taxes.
I think this causes lots of problems as it, over times, really makes churches become business oriented, then just a business that preaches to people, then, sometimes, into a business that uses the people in it like a cult would – telling people not to read the bible, but to come listen to what their religious employees tell them to do or not do.
Yet all of these are exempt from paying taxes. And now these companies are exempt from treating women’s need for birth control, etc.
They sometimes seem, to me, to no longer be about religion at all. Just like any greedy company playing to expand their own company. I’m not kidding about some of them telling their congregations not to read the bible. So, it shouldn’t be a surprise that religions diversify and become so different from each other, they stop being about the same collection of books and become about what various preachers say about those books.
Then these religions wonder why people who are naturally religious are leaving organized religions and calling themselves “spiritual but not religious”? The people feel their church leaders have become businessmen trying to promote their brand, while ignoring the spiritual needs of their congregations.
Looking for Bigfoot, is more of a religious feeling than going into a church full of hatred, isn’t it?
Many US churches do well financially, but they loose members, or keep members but those members become like zombies shuffling through life, believing in things which saddened and dispirit them.
Then, instead of uplifting them, or helping them deal with their problems, their spiritual leaders tell their congregation to “put on a happy face” so that outsiders don’t see how unhappy the congregation truly is. But these people are unhappy, and trained to go out and try to get more and more people to join to replace all the members who quit.
And, sometimes their people are trained to have more and more new little members to help the church grow in numbers. But saddling yourself with more babies than what you really wanted, and having to watch yourself fail in being able to meet the needs of all your children, makes people unhappy. They have families where they spend so much time cooking, changing diapers, washing, cleaning, taking children to appointments, stopping fights, that they have no time left to enjoy hobbies with their children, and they have no time for themselves. They can’t abandon their children, but they don’t enjoy their lives either.
Sometimes they muddle through, sometimes they put on a happy face until their emotions explode, sometimes they divorce and try to use the same unusable beliefs to make a better life for themselves, often they take drugs so that they chemical smile and ignore their problems, raising children who never learn how to deal with problems – all the time while giving their church 10% of their income to teach them how to find a happy healthy spiritual path.
Lots of people would be happier without their religious beliefs. But quitting their church doesn’t always free them from the beliefs they have internalized. Maybe they should quit unfulfilling churches and get a puppy instead?
But churches, and the businesses they own, are tax exempt in this country, whether they free and uplift their people or enslave and downtrod them, whether they help America unite or separate America into hate filled little clumps who don’t play well together.
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Hi Paddyannie:
I wish to mention several individuals such as my own brother have joined Unitarian Universalist Church. I have not found in State that live currently.
However, it was a minister from this organization my brother chose when there was a conflict of allowing Mom to make the decision not to be put on a feeding machine to live without any quality of life. http://www.uua.org/beliefs/principles/index.shtml
My brother tells me they even have services for people and their dogs for blessings. It seems the individuals who chose this church are from a high degree of educated moral character thus far. Do you or anyone know more about this growing membership?
Hi Paddyannie: Sounds like an excellent assessment of most institutions of religion world wide today not just in America.
“Lots of people would be happier without their religious beliefs. But quitting their church doesn’t always free them from the beliefs they have internalized. Maybe they should quit unfulfilling churches and get a puppy instead?”
Excuse me while I smile and chuckle. I guess it would depend on what was interpreted
for them couldn’t we say? I find most good Christians and Jews today find it difficult to find a place to worship due to the individual standing in front of them. This person trying to tell them what to believe and think. These same friends often have just gone out and got a puppy.
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Hi Kathy,
My father came from an area and an era of “seeing is believing” where people didn’t trust words just actions. It did no good to say you were a Christian, people watched and noted if you helped the poor or were kind to strangers.
It was not a religious idea, not an atheist idea, it was a practical attitude. If you didn’t have your hands on it, it was only half real, at the most. Things you saw with your own eyes might be real, but words were just blowing hot air. Words were empty promises or outright lies.
More softly phrased, the most quoted piece was something like: “believe half of what you see and nothing of what you hear” – Edgar Allen Poe. Preachers spoke about what happens after death, but had they ever died, gone to heaven, and came back? If they had, it would still be nothing but hot air, because it was just spoken words. The translated written word might be half right, maybe.
But the basic idea was harder than Poe. If God visited you, walked and talked with you then maybe you could half believe you weren’t drunk or hallucinating.
My father didn’t like childish things, Santa Claus, cartons, fortune cookies. He scoffed at such, made fun of me for liking fantasy. So the religion of my home was practical, but my natures isn’t a practical one. I’m like a spaniel raised in a kennel of a serious breed. My upbringing doesn’t jive with my nature.
My dad liked the space program, so did I. But he didn’t like fiction like Star Trek. I loved Star Trek. Each time I liked something not solid, my dad made fun of me for liking it. He watched the news, the weather, and after retirement, Lawrence Welk and wrestling.
I know that fiction isn’t real, but i like some fiction. Dad’s insults might have been his attempts to force me to be harder like him. It didn’t work. But it is far too late for me to convert to religion. I find some spiritually in nature, sometimes when I am alone in the woods or by a lake.
It wasn’t until after dad died that one of his relatives explained why dad could never believe in anything. It’s a long long story, I won’t get into it, but if you heard it, you would understand why what happened to him, as a child, made him unable to make an exception for religious belief. He never knew. And he died before I found out. But then, although what I was told makes all the details fit together, they are just words and could be lies. I will never really know.
Many people meet me and see that I am a nice, kind person, and they feel I would be a good Christian, and they try to convert me to their religion. I think this is very rude and insulting.
I find that if I dress neutrally these people bother me too much. I cut my hair short, dyed it brightly, wear pants and bright colors. I talk loud. Today I found a place that sells neon colored hair chalk. I didn’t buy any. I don’t want any. But when there are mosquitos buzzing about you have to wear mosquito repellant. I figure nothing’s says “NO, I won’t join your church” like lime hair chalk.
I will use it if I have to.
But I’d rather not have to dress defensively. Although I like the New Testament better than the Old Testament, I find that I prefer to sit near Jewish people, instead of some Christians. Jewish people don’t try to convert me. Many Christians are rude and pushy about trying to convert people. Sorry but it is true.
It seems that my natural, more quiet self, is what one person called “what our church told us to be like, but not what we grew up to be”. That I’m a natural Christian, perhaps like the Good Samaritan (but not that nice, not anymore), leads some people to view me as a lost lamb.
But I don’t find them to be any good at being Christian, so I just prefer they go try to convert the crackhead with the ripped jeans. A true Christian wouldn’t be snobby and try to lure the good, but would want to help the poorest and least. Why try to tell me what I should do, when their own goodness is lacking? Rude people pretending to be Christians, blowing their horn about how right they are, and criticizing others for small imperfections. I’ve met too many of these would be converters and I find them annoying.
Don’t get me started, I’ll rant.
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Hi Paddyannie: I completely understand when someone claims, “Oh I am a Christian and I would never cheat or steal from you. Run …run fast …run faster as far away as you can. I give you credit if you find ability to continue to deal with crack heads. I find the same problem …They so much appreciate your compassion and help but will cut your throat in a heartbeat for the next fix. I prefer not to dress defensively as well, or put up a defense for my compassion and willingness to help the poor or someone in need. Compassion is a two edge sword and too often have felt the blade of both sides. I refuse to let this human element destroy my true nature.
Well, my father was raised Roman Catholic and my mother was German Lutheran. My mother would not marry him in a Catholic church. My Dad had been an alter boy and attended Catholic schools. He had Priest and Nuns in his family. My father believed children should be raised in the mother’s faith. So we grew up singing in the church choirs and attending Sunday school. Exception of my brother all confirmed in my mother’s faith. My Dad when we were small joined the church was a usher and passed the collection plates. We took Holy Communion etc. My mother’s mother read the Bible out loud before large family meals. She had learned the English language by comparison study of her native language to the English version. Her father, my grandfather can never remember him attending church. However, believe he might have originally been Catholic himself. The local Catholic Church Priest and Nuns with other Protestants faiths were frequent visitors. They had deep discussions of interpretations of Chapters of the Bible.
. My father’s family never accepted the marriage or the children that came from this union. My first elective in College was to gain a deeper understanding of the various religions of the world. I have traveled and one of the reason feel there should be equal representation of men and women in government came from these experiences. No matter culture heritage, or religion woman around the world do not have sons and daughters to die in wars.
I agree the New Testament of the Bible. I was amazed in Israel how accurate the geography but adaptions of Christmas birth of Christ was certainly not in winter …it was in the Spring. However, nothing in the Bible about the celebration of Christ’s birthday that I ever found. Oh yes, those who want to convert us and tell us their version of Christian Faith. You do not want to start me there either. You see I feel that God is a personal God. It is not for us to judge anyone’s Faith or Beliefs. I believe the Bible is only a guide and the first religion that totally supports Human Rights and guide to how to live happy, fulfilling lives. Maybe, I took this philosophy from how I was taught to make decisions and the lesson of morality of my mother’s faith and father’s support system? You might be interested to know …I am not a member of any organized Christian church. You see when I would ask if I could do this or go there knowing likely they did not want me to go there or do that: I was given not Yes or No ..But if you do this …this might happen or if you go there this might happen. Are you prepared to deal with these issues?
I likewise agree especially Orthodox Jews who live Christianity doctrine are too often better friends and associations than too many Christians.
Most people learn whatever religion their parents have. Yet many religions teach that only their religion is right and everybody else will never get to heaven.
But for those who believe that God is a loving, kind, merciful God, it is not likely a nice God would send his good children to hell just because they never found the best church possible, is it?
If they are good people He will love them and save them, and if they are a mixture of good and not so good, maybe he will save his children anyway, because He is loving, even if his children are only mostly good, not totally good?
And doesn’t it seem that Jesus says that if we love Him, and love His teachings, and love each other, He will save us? Sort of like, Jesus will let His followers in the side door of His Father’s mansion? So we can enter by the Old Testament father, or by the New Testament Son? Maybe.
I don’t worry about it. If we all die like soulless animals, would anything I could do, change that? No, so if the atheist are right, there doesn’t seem anything I can do to change the situation.
And if we are judged by the love in our hearts? I am a good person, why should I fear?
And if we are judged by a balance between our good deeds and bad? I seldom do anything extreme, I don’t devote myself to helping the poor, but I don’t harm others either. I am mostly nice, but not perfect or great or anything awesome like that. Just a regular nice woman. But I guess that should be enough to please any father.
And if that isn’t good enough, if I am not good enough? Well, I’ve done my best, in the situation I am in. If I was lost and had no map, could anyone condemn me for simply getting lost?
I am not trying to win a place in the afterlife, which has not been proven to exist. I am a good person only because I like to be nice. Like people like to feed wild birds. I like being nice. I don’t like being mean.
For me, it is simple. I will be nice. If that is good enough, I am happy.
If not, then I was wrong, and might go to hell, if there is a hell, and if good people get sent there because of some lack or error.
So don’t follow me, I might be wrong. I might be making stupid choices. I might be lost. But if we walk the same path for awhile we might as well be friends.
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Paddyannie: I like you might be wrong and made stupid choices and seems we are on the same path in our journeys. Right don’t follow me, but journey with me for Truth.
I prefer to be happy and not hurt anyone. Attempt to help others but there is the story of Job in the Bible. What I learned from these writings better be certain they are worthy of help. This is why gave up on the crack heads. The only help will give them is transportation away from me to a Rehab center. Because it is their choice. They bring too much Drama into my life of unhappiness with their choices. I have learned do not have the skills to help them. I believe being a mother helps us to understand this Love of God has for his children. Mothers love their children even when they do wrong. I think Hell is here and now at times.
I have always noted Dog is God spelled backwards. These last years have followed closely genetic genome mapping of the canine. The more science uncovers the facts and truths of disease and genetic structure surely the Creation with Evolution is no mere accident. There had to be a higher intelligence not just evolution. As I witness the discoveries of Canine genetic mapping and Human diseases this Creator becomes intellectually apparent. The answers to human suffering with new treatments and new cures on the horizon from our Beloved Canine. The canine is bringing forward new treatments and cures for Cancer, Lou Gehrig Disease, Epilepsy, and Diabetics. Yes, even some Heart diseases.
I see God workings for us through our Love for our Dogs. I ask myself the question, “Can I really doubt a Loving God? If so Why? http://health.usnews.com/health-news/articles/2014/08/08/mutant-gene-spurs-dangerous-heart-condition-in-newfoundland-dogs-study
Has the canine truly been given the credit for these new discoveries. In my opinion …NO. I had to laugh at a person who did not like dogs, who had just had a knee replacement. He was bragging this new therapy made rehab time cut in half. Ask what he was taking? I told him, Do you realize you are taking meds once used for Heartworm in our Canines? Canines tested this drug to help ligament and muscle healing faster. Dog medicine …I said yes, Dog medication for Heart Worm. So be grateful get yourself a dog.
Hi Kathy,
I believe in evolution. But there could be a creator God too. None of us mere people were witness to the beginning of Earth. Maybe Earth came 6 billion years before man, maybe it was only 6 days. None of us witnessed those days, nor did any other people.
Whatever, it was before I was born so I’m not responcible for what did or didn’t happen, whether it was Adam & Eve, or monkeys or both.
I’m not sure circles have beginnings or ends, maybe matter & energy, and time don’t either. Like numbers have no limit – no matter what number you write, I can add a number in front of it and get a bigger number.
And with time, there has to have been a minute before that. Like you say, “a million years BC”‘ so I say “a million and one years BC”. No beginning, no end. Maybe somethings, like Time itself, just always are.
I just don’t feel that how Earth began has much to do with people today looking for God. People who are looking for God, are people wanting a personal relationship with God. What’s ancient history (badly translated into English) got to do with today?
If God came to Earth today would He ask “Do you love me now?” Or “Did you like what I did on the 5th day?”
If God arrives I will greet Him. If I meet Him after I die, I will great Him then, and if He never appears to me and if people have no soul, then who am I to complain?
He never personally came to Earth and promised me anything. And while I want to live a happy, healthy, long life, if that isn’t possible, then oh well, at least let life be happy and healthy, and not longer than the end of personal health and happiness.
We all have to die sometime. If there is no life after death, then nothing we can do is going to change that, unless maybe someone has loads of excess money and huge teams of scientists and doctors, to look for a way to live forever. But I don’t guess that Fountain of Youth has been made yet.
I realize that lots of people want to live forever. And many of these people believe they are good enough for that.
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Paddyannie no disagreement. Understanding time in the Bible for instance. God created the heavens and the earth it states. How do we know what a day is in the God’s time? A day could have been a million years? Completely understand what you are saying. I too want to live only as long as I am happy and healthy too. I do like science fiction for entertainment, but do no want to exist as a brain in jar for example. However, what I have noted seems what man can dream and image …man can achieve. I just read that warp speed could become a reality in the future.
Hi Kathy,
I like science fiction because it is about all the things that might happen in the future. It allows me to use my imagination. It makes me feel good. I enjoy an expanded universe where everything is new, and hopefully better, although some of the dystopian universes are fun to read about too. Gotta have some strong coffe in my sugar.
When I was younger, like high school, college age, I mostly read non-fiction from the library. Nerdy, yes? I learned a little bit about many things. I guess it was an armchair adventure of what is really out there. But I did read some fiction, sci fi, adventure, romance, fantasy.
Now I know that real things are not usually as advertised. I accept that it is OK for me to read things just because I enjoy them.
But I still like science news better than war news. Most leading stories on the news are bloody and depressing. I guess I’m the sensitive type.
Science is full of hope. Science is cool. Yet I was raised in a school where many of the children didn’t like science or even reading. I did. But sometimes it feels like a guilty pleasure, like “shhh, don’t tell anyone, but I like science”.
I’m glad that science is accepted. I remember the man who was killed, by the church, for saying that the earth revolves around the sun (Galileo). One of my neighbors was a flat-earther (a person who believes the Earth is flat, like a pancake, not round like a ball).
He also never believed that people walked on the moon. I thought that odd, but I’m told there are many flat-earthers. And truthfully, unless you are an astronaut, you believe (not know) things in the media. A person believes the media that Elvis is dead, or they believe he tricked the media, and is alive somewhere.
We regular people can’t know for sure one way or another. We weren’t there. We didn’t witness it. We can only guess which group has guessed it right.
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Well, those who are interested this Ebola source is still under question. It seems around the 60’s Marburg virus another hemorrhagic fever virus was first noted and described in the German cities Marburg, Frankford and Yugoslavian capital Belgrade caused by contamination of tissue in Industrial Works from infected grivets. A grivet is considered an World Monkey.
For those wanting to read most recent update:
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/08/17/another-ebola-problem-finding-its-natural-source/20948085/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl8%7Csec1_lnk1%26pLid%3D516484
Hi Chris: I just read a very lay language article wish to share. Can Dogs get Ebola virus? Decided to share
http://www.petplace.com/dogs/ebola-virus-can-your-dog-get-it/page1.aspx?utm_source=Newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Ebola&utm_content=DL-20140912%20(1)
Well, Chris we are being taken care of by the Sovereign Father and first case outside the region confirmed in Texas.
Chris you wrote this article on August 3, 2014 alerting your readers. I add not only No Thanks at this time: If you like Ebola .KEEP IT! When other African Nations won’t let them in their countries …Why are we continuing to let them in the United States? Bio-containment not only SUCKS in the United States today Center of Disease Control is totally incompetent.
I keep seeing images in my mind of Zika induced pin-head nations. And it’s an improvement! Maybe our brains are too large, horrifying freaks of nature that are ravaging the earth. (: